I am more than happy for people to explain statistics to me but if they explain that they can't answer my question about whether choices made have anything to do with the wage gap, they can't then claim statistics to be of any further use in answering that question.
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If you claim that the only relevant variables in gender earnings statistics is gender and nothing that comes in later than gender is relevant (and so choices are not) you'll have to accept that you cannot use those statistics to claim that the cause is discrimination.
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The conversation essentially ends there. There's no point telling me that I can no longer discuss the wage gap because 'I hope you understand now that statistics are hard' when you have invalidated your own argument for causes at the same time.
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Many people explain statistics and economics to me when needed because these are not areas I am knowledgeable about but those doing so in good faith manage not to be condescending arseholes. It really isn't difficult not to be. I often manage to explain things without being so.
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I'm afraid I told him that I was muting him because he was not saying anything worthwhile but he wasn't to feel bad. Clarity of thought and communication are hard.
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I am also talking to another one whom I know to have better communication skills and manners. It's just so easy not to be a condescending arsehole when talking to people. If people's choices don't matter statistically, they still do ethically & that is my area.
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I'm really not sure what I said that was impolite. I apologise for it. It was not my intention; it's hard to discuss complex subjects on Twitter.
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Yes... looking back, not a passing grade at all.
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No, Helen. Don't do it!!!
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Damn you, intellectual integrity!
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Honest debate is degraded when people want to win more than understand. Dismissal of another is easier than a reasoned argument. Another tactic I dislike is pretending not to understand something so you can argue what you think it means. (Theory is the word I have in mind.)
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Don't do it Helen!
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