Nobody denies this tho. RD wrote a whole book about it. See Unweaving the Rainbow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unweaving_the_Rainbow …
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I will. Thanks. And I hope I find out why RD is so happy to define any “truths” from myths (or any other kind of non scientific approach) as “nonsense”? Cos it kind of belittles what I, or any other creative person.
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Because he's an empirical scientist. It doesn't belittle art to say it isn't true. We don't love Hamlet for its truth value but for the beauty of its language and the complexity of its characters. It wouldn't have that if it were a true rendition of events.
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I love Hamlet for its truth value!
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Hamlet is not true. It's a story. If it were to be a true account, it would be a report of some monarch who was mentally disabled and look like a police report. He'd be much less interesting and definitely not speak in beautifully crafted iambic pentameter.
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You love Hamlet for its beauty and meaning. This is different to truth. It is so easy to say 'This is a beautifully moving play about something which didn't happen.' Don't have to claim it to be a true story.
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Let’s jump off Hamlet (cos it’s a “narrative”) and move back to Beethoven/Coltrane/ insert favourite composer. What’s your argument here? Is music just melody, rhythm and harmony? Do I love it for its beauty and meaning? Does it therefore contain no “truths’?
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Please answer Helen if u can. It bugs the shit out of me. And I’m also serious about the question I raised earlier. As an atheist, who believes that there is Truth in Art as well as in Science, does that, by definition, make me a Post Modernist?
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No. This belief is also found in other forms of philosophy, theology & metaphysics particularly but a failure to distinguish was is from what feels meaningful is actually our default position. Going on evidence & reason is counterintuitive.
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The essay of mine that I linked cites many sources that it is counterintuitive. The Enlightenment is when it became the norm to expect evidence and reasoned argument for truth claims. Before that, truth was understood to come largely from revelation.
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Yep. Read that thanks. Honestly I think the issue is being dodged. Do you really think all our great composers post Enlightment (let’s go from Mozart to present day) were communicating only pleasure and meaning and not Truth?
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