"Harder to measure" and "less empirical" aren't really the same thing.
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Replying to @cjbanning @iamcuriousblue and
No, they’re not. Are you aware of any measurements of this general hostility?
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Replying to @kareem_sabri @iamcuriousblue and
I'm not disagreeing that it might be difficult to measure.
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Replying to @cjbanning @iamcuriousblue and
It seems dubious to posit "general hostility" as a causal factor for lack of women in engineering without being able to at least verify it exists. Women are quite well represented in certain departments in tech (HR for example).
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Replying to @kareem_sabri @cjbanning and
Well, quite. There was hostility to women entering all kinds of professions and yet they quickly came to dominate many of the fields which require an interest in people and communication and made much lesser inroads into those which require interest in things and systemising.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @cjbanning and
Indeed. However, if STEM were generally hostile to women I'd certainly want to change it. We have (amazingly) ~50% women engineers on my team. I would not tolerate a culture of gender-based hostility.
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Replying to @kareem_sabri @cjbanning and
Yes, of course. There is always the danger if society keeps telling women STEM is hostile to them, they will believe it.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @cjbanning and
I mean,
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Replying to @kareem_sabri @cjbanning and
This is what happens when you think everything must be culturally constructed. That humans are the only animals not to have sex differences or that the brain is the only organ which hasn't evolved them.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @cjbanning and
You know, what's ironic is I really do want more women in engineering. It's nice to have a mix of genders, and women do great work. I could just do without the self-flagellation for my toxic masculinity and mea cupla for my hostile, misogynist workplace (assuming that fixed it).
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It's madness to think this is not the case and that there is not huge pressure to get women into these roles. Only denial of gender differences on average can cause this insistence that it is STILL hard for women to get employment.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @cjbanning and
I mean it's particularly pronounced at early stage startups. Our applicants skew like, 90% male.
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