That’s even less empirical. We can prove/disprove discrimation with gender blind testing. “General hostility” though..
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Replying to @kareem_sabri @iamcuriousblue and
"Harder to measure" and "less empirical" aren't really the same thing.
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Replying to @cjbanning @iamcuriousblue and
No, they’re not. Are you aware of any measurements of this general hostility?
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Replying to @kareem_sabri @iamcuriousblue and
I'm not disagreeing that it might be difficult to measure.
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Replying to @cjbanning @iamcuriousblue and
It seems dubious to posit "general hostility" as a causal factor for lack of women in engineering without being able to at least verify it exists. Women are quite well represented in certain departments in tech (HR for example).
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Replying to @kareem_sabri @cjbanning and
Well, quite. There was hostility to women entering all kinds of professions and yet they quickly came to dominate many of the fields which require an interest in people and communication and made much lesser inroads into those which require interest in things and systemising.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @kareem_sabri and
Given that this is consistent with differences observed all over the world, in babies too young to have been socialised out of any interests, in other apes, to manifest far less in lesbian & gay people and to be experienced as a change by trans people taking hormones...
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Replying to @HPluckrose @kareem_sabri and
How many of these observations have been empirical and quantifiable, though? I mean, I'm assuming the ones with apes were, but with humans? It's important to separate stereotypes from actual empirical data.
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Replying to @cjbanning @kareem_sabri and
I don't need telling that its important to have empirical data, btw. The data is what make me so frustrated with theoretical and unsubstantiated cultural constructivism which is proving difficult to budge an inch no matter how much evidence you throw at it. It's very dated now.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @cjbanning and
We always need data to falsify the dominant hypothesis, but everyone is happy to go along with it without a shred of evidence.
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There is increasing pushback against the blank slate ideology but long-entrenched ideas which appeal to ideological values take time to shift. Generation Y might finally crack it. No orthodoxy can stand forever. Blank slatism has had its day.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @cjbanning and
It's uncontroversial outside of a narrow ideological segment. When I talk to my sisters about this they're like, "yeah, no shit men and women have different interests (on average)".
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