Ah, so it sounds like you haven't read the economics papers. The simple insight you're missing is that those choices are after gender on the causal pathway, so you can't include them as controls to get your estimates. There still is a gap after you account for them, by the way.
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Replying to @gztstatistics @HPluckrose and
It’s not a settled issue on which all economists agree.
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Well, it doesn't make much sense to wait until all the economists agree, and only then work for pay equality. In the meantime, we should support both the economists AND the activists in their work. Both are vital and important.
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And if the activists causation model is wrong? If they're accusing entire fields of harassment and overt discrimination when there are other explanations for unequal outcomes, that doesn't seem very productive to me.
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eg, I don't see any evidence that the lack of women in engineering is caused by discrimination, when in fact, very few women major in it or even take Engi 101 courses. That speaks to me of relative lack of interest, whether cultural or hard-wired or some combination.
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Replying to @iamcuriousblue @JamesHeartfield and
And I see very few people (possibly not any!) arguing that the lack of women in that particular field is caused by hiring discrimination specifically, as opposed to general hostility to women or other factors.
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Replying to @cjbanning @iamcuriousblue and
That’s even less empirical. We can prove/disprove discrimation with gender blind testing. “General hostility” though..
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Replying to @kareem_sabri @iamcuriousblue and
"Harder to measure" and "less empirical" aren't really the same thing.
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Replying to @cjbanning @kareem_sabri and
They're not but it's very difficult to get empirical evidence of something that can't be quantified.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @kareem_sabri and
Again, "difficult to quantify" and "can't be quantified": still not the same thing.
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I was responding to 'less empirical' and pointing that we do end up having less empirical evidence of things that are harder to quantify than things that are easy to quantify. Measuring people's attitudes as hostile will always be largely subjective.
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