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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Richard Dawkins‏Verified account @RichardDawkins May 27

      I don’t know about you, but I’m becoming heartily sick of being told the obvious nonsense that “myths” are just as valid an approach to the truth as science, just different. No they aren’t. If there were a better way of getting to the truth, science would adopt it.

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    2. Rhett Rothberg‏ @RhettRothberg May 27
      Replying to @RichardDawkins

      Not better. And I think we need to really be clear on the utility. Does myth tell us anything about the real world? Orbital mechanics and such? Of course not. Might they have something to say when it comes to human meaning? Maybe. Don't be so quick to discard.

      11 replies 2 retweets 84 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

      This is the vital difference. We can be deeply moved by art in the form of poetry or epic narratives w/out claiming them to be true. Scientists have no lesser an appreciation for these than anyone else. Blurring the distinction between 'meaningful' & 'true' is a problem.

      5 replies 1 retweet 38 likes
    4. Stephen Rae‏ @StephenRae12 May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

      I love you all BUT- can I make a musical analogy? (I’m a composer). An analysis of say Beethoven 5 can only tell u so much. Music creates “meaning” in ways we can not decipher empirically. There really are more things in heaven and earth that can be dreamt of in your philosophy!

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @StephenRae12 @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

      Nobody denies this tho. RD wrote a whole book about it. See Unweaving the Rainbow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unweaving_the_Rainbow …

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @StephenRae12 and

      There is absolutely no reason why understanding that truth is obtained via evidence should mean that profound appreciation of the arts is not also very important and meaningful to humans.

      10:17 PM - 27 May 2018
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        2. Stephen Rae‏ @StephenRae12 May 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

          It’s more than important or meaningful though. It’s not a hierarchy of truths, with Science at the top and the Arts as simply important. They are different and equally valid windows to view the world. (And believe me, I say this as a happy atheist)

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
          Replying to @StephenRae12 @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

          Well, we agree then. People tend to think that saying that science is about establishing what is true and art is not means that art is lower but they are not on a hierarchy. They are just different. Science tells us what is true about the world. Art opens up a different world.

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        4. Stephen Rae‏ @StephenRae12 May 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

          There’s that problematic word then- “truth”. No wonder JBP n SHarris bogged down for so long on that one. So, I’m really interested in your definition then of someone who holds my position. I call them both truths, just different ones. Am I a fucking post modernist? 😱

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
          Replying to @StephenRae12 @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

          Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

          You just don't believe in objective truth. I wish you would. You don't have to think something is true to value it. See short thread.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/999999120038383616 …

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          Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
          Precisely. We cannot 'balance' critical thinking with magical thinking any more than we can balance freedom of speech with censorship of offensive speech. There is no balance. We just lose critical thinking and freedom of speech. https://twitter.com/sisboombahbah/status/999998582181810176 …
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