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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Molly Hodgdon‏ @Manglewood May 27
      Replying to @nberlat @HPluckrose and

      So we go from “scientists like him” to “I don’t trust scientists who don’t like him”. Convenient little maneuver to dismiss any and all critiques.

      1 reply 0 retweets 23 likes
    2. A pseudonymous liar‏ @thatyellowfog May 27
      Replying to @Manglewood @nberlat and

      I'm supposed to take seriously a man who tells people what to do based on what lobsters do, and gets even that wrong? What are these empirically correct statements which he's supposed to have made? Honestly curious.

      3 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
    3. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri May 27
      Replying to @thatyellowfog @Manglewood and

      It's inaccurate to claim the man has made no correct statements, or no empirical statements. And it's naive and foolish to consider him stupid, as many people do. I don't know about "empirically correct", but his discussion of the gender pay gap is certainly empirically grounded.

      2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    4. gz (not a doctor) thompson‏ @gztstatistics May 27

      what?! his discussion of the gender pay gap is where he gets precipitously owned by actual economists.

      2 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @gztstatistics @kareem_sabri and

      Actual economists debunk the gender pay gap routinely!

      4 replies 1 retweet 28 likes
    6. Galway Curiousblue‏ @iamcuriousblue May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @gztstatistics and

      This podcast from Freakonomics is probably the best popular economics discussion of the wage gap. http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ … In short, yes there's a wage gap, but overt discrimination doesn't entirely explain it. >

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    7. Galway Curiousblue‏ @iamcuriousblue May 27
      Replying to @iamcuriousblue @HPluckrose and

      Better explanation - our system does not reward work/life balance, women are disproportionately penalized, since they're more likely to take long blocks of time away from career simply due to social expectations.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri May 27
      Replying to @iamcuriousblue @HPluckrose and

      Well, it rewards it with.. more life. Unclear how much is due to social expectations, particularly for non-mothers. People who work more earning more money seems fair to me. To the extent women are compelled not to work by "social expectations", they should not be.

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    9. gz (not a doctor) thompson‏ @gztstatistics May 27
      Replying to @kareem_sabri @iamcuriousblue and

      http://www.nber.org/papers/w21913 

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    10. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri May 27
      Replying to @gztstatistics @iamcuriousblue and

      Yes, you shared this already. It doesn't contradict anything and is in line with what I've been saying. "women’s work force interruptions and shorter hours remain significant in high skilled occupations, possibly due to compensating differentials"

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @kareem_sabri @gztstatistics and

      He keeps linking that as though it agrees with him.

      8:01 PM - 27 May 2018
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        2. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri May 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose @gztstatistics and

          Yeah, I don't get it. It says it's a multi-variate problem and discrimination is one part. Exactly what myself, you, and Peterson have said. Also, he didn't address my comments on the implications of the causal chain assumption, and its reverse bias to over-estimate the pay gap.

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        4. gz (not a doctor) thompson‏ @gztstatistics May 27

          Peterson: It does seem that way, but multivariate analysis of the pay gap indicate that it doesn’t exist.

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        5. gz (not a doctor) thompson‏ @gztstatistics May 27
          Replying to @gztstatistics @kareem_sabri and

          Peterson: Yeah, but there’s multiple reasons for that. One of them is gender, but it’s not the only reason.... women in aggregate are paid less than men. Okay, well then we break it down by age, we break it down by occupation, we break it down by interest...

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        6. gz (not a doctor) thompson‏ @gztstatistics May 27
          Replying to @gztstatistics @kareem_sabri and

          But then you look at papers like this and there is a wage gap when properly accounted for.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri May 27
          Replying to @gztstatistics @HPluckrose and

          Yeah, I don't think it doesn't exist and I don't think discrimination isn't likely to be a part of it. He later said it was a part of it, but that other factors matter too. As did I. You said other factors are subsumed by discrimination because they're after in the causal chain.

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        8. gz (not a doctor) thompson‏ @gztstatistics May 27
          Replying to @kareem_sabri

          Where did I say anything was subsumed by discrimination?

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        9. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri May 27
          Replying to @gztstatistics

          You didn't say that, I apologize. You said, in my reading, that some amount (unclear how much) of occupational choice is due to women self-selecting out of jobs due to discrimination in those fields, and so controlling for occupational choice would under-estimate gap.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        10. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri May 27
          Replying to @kareem_sabri @gztstatistics

          I said that may well be true, but ignoring occupational choice would over-estimate the gap since it would ignore all occupational choice due to actual preference and not discrimination. You didn't respond to that.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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