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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @ComplaintStick

      I don't know what that means but I am bored now so I will leave it here.

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    2. Complaint Stick‏ @ComplaintStick May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      My initial point was that Dawkins defines truth narrowly as verifiable information, and that it is only by keeping that narrow definition that you can oppose truth and meaningfulness. Truth, though, does not just refer to scientific verifiability. But OK: I'll stop boring you.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @ComplaintStick

      Well, yes. You can assert that 'truth does not just refer to scientific verifiability' and other people, like Dawkins and like me, will say that is the whole problem. Calling things which have not been established by evidence 'truth.' That is what we are criticising,

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ComplaintStick

      If you say you use the word 'truth' to describe things which have been established to be true by evidence and to describe things which have not been established to be true by evidence, I can only ask you to consider not doing so, particularly with post-truth problem going on.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ComplaintStick

      Your point that Dawkins calls things true when this has been established by evidence did not really need to be made because that is not at all ambiguous. The difference is that I think he is right to do so and you think he is wrong.

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    6. Complaint Stick‏ @ComplaintStick May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      He's not wrong. I believe in science. The discussing you and I are having isn't scientific but philosophical, yet it's still a question of evidence, but not scientific evidence. And we are concerned with agreeing or disagreeing not about what is meaningful but about what is true.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @ComplaintStick

      I really can't put my position across any more clearly than I have. You can either address it clearly as it is or not. You have chosen not and I have things to do.

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    8. Complaint Stick‏ @ComplaintStick May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It's true that science is based on evidence. But there are other kinds of evidence than just scientific. Philosophical argument, for example, is based on other kinds of evidence. Philosophical arguments still concern questions of truth and evidence, but in fields outside science.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @ComplaintStick

      I don't know what 'other kinds of evidence than just scientific' means. Science is a methodology based on evidence. Other fields like history also rely on evidence but may not be considered science. If your philosophy relies on evidence, good. We have no disagreement.

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    10. Complaint Stick‏ @ComplaintStick May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If one says that scientific evidence is the only kind of evidence, then philosophy is just a part of science. But if we say that philosophy works with forms of evidence not limited to scientific evidence, then the use of evidence is not itself sufficient to distinguish science.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @ComplaintStick

      I'm still not sure you're saying anything. Please get to the point of explaining what you mean in clear terms with examples rather than vague abstractions or let me get back to work.

      5:56 PM - 27 May 2018
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