OK so there's a myth one of whose lessons is: don't eat this thing because you will become sick. Is that myth telling you something meaningful or something true?
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If you say you use the word 'truth' to describe things which have been established to be true by evidence and to describe things which have not been established to be true by evidence, I can only ask you to consider not doing so, particularly with post-truth problem going on.
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Your point that Dawkins calls things true when this has been established by evidence did not really need to be made because that is not at all ambiguous. The difference is that I think he is right to do so and you think he is wrong.
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He's not wrong. I believe in science. The discussing you and I are having isn't scientific but philosophical, yet it's still a question of evidence, but not scientific evidence. And we are concerned with agreeing or disagreeing not about what is meaningful but about what is true.
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I really can't put my position across any more clearly than I have. You can either address it clearly as it is or not. You have chosen not and I have things to do.
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It's true that science is based on evidence. But there are other kinds of evidence than just scientific. Philosophical argument, for example, is based on other kinds of evidence. Philosophical arguments still concern questions of truth and evidence, but in fields outside science.
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I don't know what 'other kinds of evidence than just scientific' means. Science is a methodology based on evidence. Other fields like history also rely on evidence but may not be considered science. If your philosophy relies on evidence, good. We have no disagreement.
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If one says that scientific evidence is the only kind of evidence, then philosophy is just a part of science. But if we say that philosophy works with forms of evidence not limited to scientific evidence, then the use of evidence is not itself sufficient to distinguish science.
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I'm still not sure you're saying anything. Please get to the point of explaining what you mean in clear terms with examples rather than vague abstractions or let me get back to work.
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Are you criticizing my position on the basis that what I say isn't true, or that it isn't meaningful? Because as far as I can tell, this isn't itself a scientific discussion. But the criterion of truth is still relevant to how we conduct this discussion.
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Now where are you going?! I'm really not digging through that mess. I should have walked away when I said I would. I have been very clear on my meaning and none of what you have just said is relevant to it.
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