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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @ComplaintStick

      That's why I said it could be both. Where the claim is objective, it can be measured. Where it is subjective, it can't. "How should I live' can have a subjective element - I should be a writer - and an objective claim - by following the doctrines of the Catholic church.

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    2. Complaint Stick‏ @ComplaintStick May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      How should I live in this tribe? Should I make or use arrows? If so, how? Myths are relevant precisely because they are ways of knowing answers to such questions. In that sense, the myth IS evidence, and the knowledge provided is real, that is, true. But it's not scientific.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @ComplaintStick

      If it provides evidence of how to make arrows and whether this is a good idea - eg like gun stats showing you're four times more likely to be killed by one if you own one - and what ways of living in tribes work best, it is scientific. If it doesn't, it isn't.

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    4. Complaint Stick‏ @ComplaintStick May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Then your definition of "scientific" is something that includes knowledge that exists prior to the invention of science, doesn't it?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @ComplaintStick

      Is there a prior to the invention of science? Humans have been testing things and using the evidence provided for as long as we existed. 'Scire' - to know as a fact. However, we can also apply science to very old data. Not sure what the relevance of this tweet is.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ComplaintStick

      It doesn't matter much whether there was a word for making a decision based on evidence - I won't eat that because it makes people sick - or based on myth - I won't eat that because God says it is unclean, truth claims are involved. The former cld be true. The latter unlikely.

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    7. Complaint Stick‏ @ComplaintStick May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      OK so there's a myth one of whose lessons is: don't eat this thing because you will become sick. Is that myth telling you something meaningful or something true?

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @ComplaintStick

      We could not know if it was true without testing it. For the Hare Krishnas it is onions and garlic. For the ancient Hebrews, it was pork & shellfish. The former seems groundless. The latter can now be understood in relation to food poisoning & dealt with via refrigeration.

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    9. Complaint Stick‏ @ComplaintStick May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      So you're saying it is meaningful but not true.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @ComplaintStick

      Some things people place meaning on are not true, yes. Thunder is not actually an angry god swinging a hammer about. The meaning given to it is false. People can still take pleasure in imagining it and perhaps it could even be useful but it is not true.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ComplaintStick

      People can place meaning on absolutely anything. This can be interesting and I study narratives because it is interesting. It also matters what is true and distinguishing what people find meaningful regardless of truth from what has been discovered to be true has advanced society

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        2. Complaint Stick‏ @ComplaintStick May 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I'm not arguing against truth. I'm saying that if tribe members argue about whether a plant makes you sick, and they argue in terms of that myth, they aren't arguing about whether the myth is meaningful but about whether it is true: that the right way to live is not to eat it.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
          Replying to @ComplaintStick

          OK? So what? Where is this going? If you mean that sometimes people can find information and data in myths, I agree and have never claimed otherwise. This is not the point of the disagreement.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ComplaintStick

          Maybe a myth mentions that a certain war happened in a certain place and archaeologists use this as a starting point for seeking evidence for it. This is not what is being criticised as 'the affective reality of the mythic world,' is it?

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