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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

      Ok, I haven't read that, but this quote is terrible, and I see it everyday from pedantry, clearly expressed in that angle of Peterson criticism. It's shallow.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    2. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @HPluckrose and

      Actually, I am being uncharitable, my bad. The quote is not so bad at all, would agree with it. Was responding to the anti-myth zeitgeist/backlash, again apologies for my poor initial read of the quote.

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    3. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @HPluckrose and

      Two last thoughts, I don't think anyone who's into Jung (or @jordanbpeterson or whoever we're talking about would agree w/ "myths are just as valid an approach to the truth as science" so it's a strawman.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @RhettRothberg and

      Peterson said this about it: (From Maps of Meaning)pic.twitter.com/FQRXMrLMul

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    5. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg and

      Meh, he may not be expressing that right, he's def problematically loose at times, and that's worth criticism. But he is a science dude not a science denier, least the stuff I've seen. He tries to augment, or tie the myths to evolutionary psych, big 5 etc.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @RhettRothberg and

      He has a Darwinian notion of truth and would like the return of some metanarratives which he describes as 'the reality of the mythic world'. An affective reality superceding an objective one. Feelings and facts. He's consistent on this.

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    7. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg and

      Well, maybe I just don't know his takes well enough (like him but not an ardent fan), but that's not anywhere anything near primary I'd take from him, but again I haven't listened or read Maps of Meaning or anything at that level.

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    8. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @HPluckrose and

      Would be curious if Peterson would cosign what you just wrote there, that seems relevant.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @RhettRothberg and

      Well, yes. If he doesn't, I'm criticising something which doesn't exist. He does tho. The mythic world, pragmatic notions of truth are consistent & explicit. This is at the root of the difference skeptics/rationalists have with him - epistemology, how we know what is true.

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    10. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg and

      If you asked him that question above though I'm not positive he would say what you are saying, which I know is what you've taken from his books. I get the epistemology thing, I'm just pretty inclined to think it's a communication rather than philosophical/epistemological issue

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @RhettRothberg and

      You should definitely check rather than taking my word for it. You will find an epistemological difference tho. Rogan hoped that it was a communication difference which could be resolved only to find Peterson adamant on defining truth pragmatically rather than by evidence.

      4:17 PM - 27 May 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose @nathano_j and

          That isn't a strawman or a misrepresentation of his position tho I understand why you'd suspect this because that happens to him a lot. He really does argue for this being a better way to define truth consistently & his supporters who are familiar with this defend it too.

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        3. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg and

          No, that makes sense if he was insistent on that. I would definitely disagree w/ that. Or the way I think of it, what he is calling "true" is like common sense/grammaw wisdom, which I do realize is different than rigorously tested physical science etc. I will check it out, thnx

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