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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

      This is the vital difference. We can be deeply moved by art in the form of poetry or epic narratives w/out claiming them to be true. Scientists have no lesser an appreciation for these than anyone else. Blurring the distinction between 'meaningful' & 'true' is a problem.

      5 replies 1 retweet 38 likes
    2. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

      A lot of scientists (Dawkins eg, the Jordan Peterson of a different crowd) have a hugely lesser appreciation. It's evident in this reductive quote he's a sophist when it comes to grasping the significance of narrative in terms of what is known now and can be known scientifically.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

      No, I don't think so. Have a look at Unweaving the Rainbow. Don't know what the last sentence means.

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    4. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg @RichardDawkins

      Ok, I haven't read that, but this quote is terrible, and I see it everyday from pedantry, clearly expressed in that angle of Peterson criticism. It's shallow.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @HPluckrose and

      Actually, I am being uncharitable, my bad. The quote is not so bad at all, would agree with it. Was responding to the anti-myth zeitgeist/backlash, again apologies for my poor initial read of the quote.

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    6. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @HPluckrose and

      Two last thoughts, I don't think anyone who's into Jung (or @jordanbpeterson or whoever we're talking about would agree w/ "myths are just as valid an approach to the truth as science" so it's a strawman.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @RhettRothberg and

      Peterson said this about it: (From Maps of Meaning)pic.twitter.com/FQRXMrLMul

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    8. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg and

      Meh, he may not be expressing that right, he's def problematically loose at times, and that's worth criticism. But he is a science dude not a science denier, least the stuff I've seen. He tries to augment, or tie the myths to evolutionary psych, big 5 etc.

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    9. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @HPluckrose and

      That's inherently a sticky wicket and he's bound to make tons of mistakes, but the interesting part to me is someone is trying to connect the two. Just the effort of attempting that is worth a lot more that 99% of social science imo.

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    10. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @HPluckrose and

      But the JP = charlatan mystic self-help sage is utterly tiresome, and you see it from both intersectionalist leftist types and hyper rational self proclaimed classical liberals frequently. A dearth of good criticism of him imo, and think there's definitely room for that.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @nathano_j @RhettRothberg and

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

      He's more of an ascetic than a mystic, I think, tho he has elements of both & I'm not sure he'd consider that a bad thing. I'm concerned about his notion of truth for the same reason I'm concerned abt the intersectional left's. But, yes, balance is needed:https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/999604113208901632 …

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      Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
      I'm here. I agree with you on the problem of blank slatism, disagree bible stories & Jungian archetypes help with this, agree postmodernism is at the root of the SocJus problem, disagree on why & how, agree we need to defend free speech, disagree on sexual morality. Best I can do https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/999291589414588418 …
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        1. jonathan‏ @nathano_j May 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose @RhettRothberg and

          All fair enough Helen, will read your takes.

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