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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Claire Lehmann‏Verified account @clairlemon May 27

      Claire Lehmann Retweeted Joanne Cash

      In another time, these complaints would be described as vexatious & a puffed up attack on the reputation of a black man would be called racist.https://twitter.com/CashJoanne/status/1000641085952192512 …

      Claire Lehmann added,

      Joanne Cash @CashJoanne
      Replying to @clairlemon
      @clairlemon you are v intelligent and your anti-feminist perspective helps many of us to test our views. This though is gratuitously undermining of other women at a time when serious allegations have been made. Why do this?
      22 replies 23 retweets 226 likes
    2. Liam Murray‏ @LiamMurray May 27
      Replying to @clairlemon

      You didn’t find those comments by Freeman in the video uncomfortable?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Claire Lehmann‏Verified account @clairlemon May 27
      Replying to @LiamMurray

      What do you mean by "uncomfortable"?

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. Liam Murray‏ @LiamMurray May 27
      Replying to @clairlemon

      Inappropriate? Objectifying? Vaguely menacing? I have some sympathy with the view that #MeToo has overshot a little but don’t recognise that as an excuse to give a pass to someone being creepy and salacious.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Claire Lehmann‏Verified account @clairlemon May 27
      Replying to @LiamMurray

      Isn't this a subjective matter? What if I said that I enjoy explicit flirting and that many other women do too?

      2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    6. Gary Smyth  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇮🇪 🇪🇺 🏁‏ @WeirdPsyience May 27
      Replying to @clairlemon @LiamMurray

      Consensual flirting is one thing. But unappreciated advances are another. I am waiting for men to bring about such claims against women, it can’t be too far off in the distance all things being equal.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Liam Murray‏ @LiamMurray May 27
      Replying to @WeirdPsyience @clairlemon

      All things aren’t equal. No real history of women turning violent if speculative advances are declined, all too common history the other way round so no, it’s not the same thing at all.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @LiamMurray @WeirdPsyience @clairlemon

      Some men have turned violent when their speculative advances have been declined, so men shouldn't make any? Surely you see it's turning violent that's the problem, not flirting? This is what undermines #MeToo as a positive force. Conflating normal interaction with sexual violence

      3:54 AM - 27 May 2018
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      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
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        2. Gary Smyth  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇮🇪 🇪🇺 🏁‏ @WeirdPsyience May 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose @LiamMurray @clairlemon

          Conflating sexual violence with sexual harassment seems to be an ongoing problem too. I think a lot of the issues arise when it occurs in the work place rather than in social time.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Gary Smyth  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇮🇪 🇪🇺 🏁‏ @WeirdPsyience May 27
          Replying to @WeirdPsyience @HPluckrose and

          For example do you consider what Kevin spacey did as sexual violence or sexual harassment? He didn’t forcibly penetrate anyone against their will but his advances were often inappropriate. Whereas Weinstein is simply a monster, way beyond being inappropriate.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Gary Smyth  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇮🇪 🇪🇺 🏁‏ @WeirdPsyience May 27
          Replying to @WeirdPsyience @HPluckrose and

          Because any undesired touching can be claimed as assault and if say a woman grabbe my backside at work then that would be a de facto sexual assault but it would be nowhere near the level of Weinstein or spacey. Is groping considered sexual violence?

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        5. Free Speech "Extremist"‏ @roblanderos May 27
          Replying to @WeirdPsyience @HPluckrose and

          You can bet that many on the far left certainly would consider groping as sexual violence. Hell, they consider offensive speech equivalent to violence.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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