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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Sam  🇪🇪

    No. Things do not become subjective because we cannot prove them. There is a right or wrong answer even if only one person knows what it is. A subjective truth would be if it were true for you that you did not like cilantro but true for me that you did.https://twitter.com/unigolyn/status/1000028601012584448 …

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    Sam  🇪🇪 @clifford_banes
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    That's just tautological. It is impossible to objectively prove that I don't like cilantro. Yet I assure you it is true. Hence it's a subjective truth. Obviously subjectivity does not apply to objective facts like evolution.
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      2. Chibi Nikola Tesla‏ @CapsicumLaude May 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        What do you call something in the middle? I think sexual attraction is likely partly both or to put it another way there is likely a majority consensus but a minority disagreement in most cases.

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      4. Chibi Nikola Tesla‏ @CapsicumLaude May 25
        Replying to @DurinnMcFurren @HPluckrose

        Fair. I was more speaking of the quality of an individual absent a specific observer.

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      6. Chibi Nikola Tesla‏ @CapsicumLaude May 25
        Replying to @DurinnMcFurren @HPluckrose

        "objectively different to others" -- isn't this essentially the definition of subjective? I mean the "status" of someone being attracted or unattracted is objective but the determination of that status is subjective, no?

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
        Replying to @CapsicumLaude @DurinnMcFurren

        Only in the sense that different things are true of different subjects. It is true of me that I am a woman but true of you that you are a man. This doesn't make our respective genders subjective. Both things are objectively true.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose @CapsicumLaude @DurinnMcFurren

        No-one is denying that subjectivity exists, only that truth can be subjective in the sense of believing different things about the same external object which is not just our own perceptions of it. eg God exists for me but not for you. Therefore the existence of God is subjective

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      9. Chibi Nikola Tesla‏ @CapsicumLaude May 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose @DurinnMcFurren

        Hmm. I agree. I guess I'm searching for a definition where there might be use of the term. Eg it's objectively true that I bowl right handed but it's not objectively true that all people do (in fact verifiably false) could this be a useful area for that phrase?

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      2. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes May 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Why is "subjective" a synonym for "untrue" instead of "experienced"? It seems like you're using convenient alternative definitions here.

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      3. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes May 25
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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
        Replying to @clifford_banes

        OK, well, you've clarified that what you mean by subjective truth is genuinely having things going on in your mind. But showing that this could be a valid definition doesn't mean that it is what people are referring to in the debate between objective & subjective truth. It isnt

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      1. Daniel Oakes‏ @DanOakesWriter May 25
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        There's a right or wrong even if *nobody* knows which it is.

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      1. Richard T. Pallardy‏ @RTPallardy May 25
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        There are studies indicating that there is a genetic cause for liking or disliking cilantro. Which is indeed objective.

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