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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Sam  🇪🇪

    No. Cilantro either smells like soap to you or it doesn't. This is objectively true or false even tho it applies to a subject - you. Does Cilantro objectively smell like soap? No.https://twitter.com/unigolyn/status/1000003396106162176 …

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    Sam  🇪🇪 @clifford_banes
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    Can't subjective things be true, though? Cilantro smells like soap to me. There are objective, genetic reasons for this perception but ultimately my dislike of it isn't objectivity. Yet it's true.
    6:21 AM - 25 May 2018
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      2. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes May 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I said my dislike of it is subjective. There are objective reasons relating to my sense organs that contribute to this, but I don't think "your subjective opinion objectively exists" is a refutation of subjective truths.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
        Replying to @clifford_banes

        Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Michael N

        https://twitter.com/MichaelN1756/status/1000005319727071232 … There are no subjective truths. Things are either true or they are not. They are not true for you but untrue for me except on the level of us being different subjects. 'I am a man' is true for you and 'I am a woman' is true for me.

        Helen Pluckrose added,

        Michael N @MichaelN1756
        Replying to @HPluckrose
        Similarly, the term “subjective truth” is NOT usually used to describe the truths of subjective states (eg, “I am truly angry/sad/hearing yanny”), but the truth of factual beliefs based on subjective considerations (eg, “I don’t believe in evolution because it feels wrong.”)
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      4. Michael N‏ @MichaelN1756 May 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Language here fails us because it is ambiguous. As noted, the phrase “subjective truth” is susceptible to double meaning. The problem is, the meaning most people use (“true because I think it” as opposed to “true state of mind”) is, as you point out, utter nonsense.

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      5. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes May 25
        Replying to @MichaelN1756 @HPluckrose

        So to go back to my example, cilantro is objectively a plant but subjectively delicious. It can not be subjectively a planet.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 25
        Replying to @clifford_banes @MichaelN1756

        Yes, subjectivity exists. You don't think people who are criticising subjective truth are criticising subjective experiences which are truly experienced?

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      1. AxeGrrl  🎸‏ @Axe_Grrl May 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        *getting flashbacks of every convo I've engaged in that started with 'the sky being blue is an objective fact'*

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