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Recovering lawyer, Huskers & Packers fan, poker degenerate, scurvy fighter, sarcastic SOB ... Mostly here for the dogs.

West Des Moines, IA
craakker.blogspot.com
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    1. David Payne Purdum‏Verified account @DavidPurdum 29 Dec 2017

      Thing I'd like to see in 2018: Less casual use of "degenerate" when referring to sports bettors, especially from inside the industry.

      26 replies 37 retweets 173 likes
    2. Seth Burn‏ @SethBurn 29 Dec 2017
      Replying to @DavidPurdum

      David, while I appreciate your desire not to casually label people, the action of wagering on a sporting event is a generally a degenerate one. Advantage betters and casual fans betting the minimum to generate a rooting interest are both rare exceptions.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. David Payne Purdum‏Verified account @DavidPurdum 29 Dec 2017
      Replying to @SethBurn

      I disagree. By definition, a degenerate is, "having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline." I can bet on something, knowing that I'm gambling w/out an edge, but not be a degenerate.

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
    4. Seth Burn‏ @SethBurn 29 Dec 2017
      Replying to @DavidPurdum

      The etymology here stems from the action itself being degenerate. The concept of the degenerate gambler is centuries old, but at its core it remains because gambling without an edge is an inherently degenerate act. It is neither moral nor desirable.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Grange‏ @Grange95 29 Dec 2017
      Replying to @SethBurn @DavidPurdum

      You can't define gambling to be degenerate. That's a classic question begging fallacy.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Seth Burn‏ @SethBurn 29 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Grange95 @DavidPurdum

      *Poker degenerate*

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    7. Grange‏ @Grange95 29 Dec 2017
      Replying to @SethBurn @DavidPurdum

      If I'm going to have to explain irony as well as logic to you, Twitter will need to give me a shitload more characters.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Seth Burn‏ @SethBurn 29 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Grange95 @DavidPurdum

      But you understand the meaning of the terms. That you are using the term degenerate here ironically means you are fully aware of its non-ironic usage. That also implies you are aware of the degenerate gamblers that feed the industry.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Grange‏ @Grange95 29 Dec 2017
      Replying to @SethBurn @DavidPurdum

      I'm aware *some* gamblers are degenerate ("problem") gamblers. That's a far cry from your contention that *all* gambling is degenerate.

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    10. Seth Burn‏ @SethBurn 29 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Grange95 @DavidPurdum

      Actually, my statement is that the act of gambling is degenerate in general. I listed some exceptions, such as advantage gambling, or min-bets for interest on an event. However, pretty much every bet at a roulette table? People seeking a dopamine hit.

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      Grange‏ @Grange95 29 Dec 2017
      Replying to @SethBurn @DavidPurdum

      Again, you're question begging. You define "degenerate" as "any wagering for pleasure". But you haven't established that seeking a dopamine hit is, in and of itself, "degenerate".

      4:12 PM - 29 Dec 2017
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        2. Seth Burn‏ @SethBurn 29 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Grange95 @DavidPurdum

          What actions would you define as degenerate? BTW, enjoyed this: http://craakker.blogspot.com/2016/06/running-v-pokerheads-up-for-rollz.html …

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        3. Grange‏ @Grange95 29 Dec 2017
          Replying to @SethBurn @DavidPurdum

          To me, "degenerate" involves excessive pleasure seeking to the point there is harm or a loss of control. Gambling is not inherently degenerate, but can be. Much like other hedonistic activities.

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