Critical mass is the issue with the rituals, rather than the power level of any individual card I believe. Eye of ugin is an oddity in that it's really high variance acceleration.https://twitter.com/mtgaaron/status/944627062140149760 …
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W odpowiedzi do @JordanLovell32 @AliEldrazi
Also Cloudpost, which is basically an identical design but slightly better version of the Tronlands.
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Eye of Ugin is a flat discount on all Eldrazi... can add 10+ "mana" in a turn. Cloudpost is like Tron except glimmerpost exists and gains tons of life and you don't have to create a unique set. Neither of these are Tron
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W odpowiedzi do @GoingMadlem
I figured that out on account of them not having the word Urza’s in their type line.
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W odpowiedzi do @CubeApril @GoingMadlem
When you cast Ulamog off of two Towers, a Power Plant and a Mine on T4, how is that not a 6-mana discount? No amount of Eye of Ugins would let you do the same.
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W odpowiedzi do @CubeApril
With Eye: Eldrazi Mimic costs 0. Matter Reshaper costs 1. Thought-Knot costs 2. Play multiple cards in one turn for cumulative discount.
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W odpowiedzi do @GoingMadlem
Surely you recognize that they’re both the same class of cards? They let you cast cards well ahead of where they were designed.
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W odpowiedzi do @CubeApril @GoingMadlem
Let me ask if this way. If Karn Liberated cost GGG and Ulamog cost GGGG, would you find them to be fair threats?
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W odpowiedzi do @CubeApril
Do mana dorks still exist? That's the problem with these arguments, people try making different colors / archetypes analogous and they aren't, that's the entire point of magic.
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W odpowiedzi do @GoingMadlem
Mana dorks exist, as does Expedition Map and Ancient Stirrings.
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Absolutely not. Turn two Karn off of a mana dork. You can cast that off dual lands that give you access to literally any spell in Modern, including answer removal like Thoughtseize. You can't make it analogous, Tron exists in a space that had been designed around for 5+ years
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