GoingMadlem

You guys realize that Eldrazi aren't going away even after the fast mana gets banned right? These are reasonably insane creatures for cost

@GoingMadlem somewhat worse without 8 Ancient Tombs.

@mtgfinacetroll yeah and Yawgmoth's Will isn't as good without Black Lotus

@GoingMadlem err yeah, that statement is true but also non relevant.

@mtgfinacetroll it is relevant, Matter Reshaper, TK Seer, and Reality Smasher are all solid cards regardless of fast mana

@GoingMadlem what does that have to do with the lotus/will statement?

@mtgfinacetroll it's an analogous comparison, good cards are good cards even when cards that make them super good are absent

@GoingMadlem sure, I just don't think it's a very good analogy. Lotus is clearly busted. Non-temple/eye Eldrazi draws aren't that great.