GoingMadlem

What about people who oppose illegal immigration?

Both of your framings abdicate all responsibility for the consequences of you preferences. My questions are: 1) How much violence are you willing to inflict to prevent women from receiving abortions? 2) How much violence are you willing to inflict to enforce immigration laws?

Not abdicating anything. Tbh I don’t see any of the hot button political issues coming up at an LGS. If it did though, I would assume ppl could talk and agree/disagree without shunning needing to be done.

“Abortion is wrong” and “oppose illegal immigration” soft-pedals conservative stances and fails to engage with what many people find grotesque about those positions—the use of state violence against marginalized groups to achieve those policies.

Polls indicate that most Americans oppose illegal immigration. Polls also indicate that as a pregnancy goes on support for abortion drops drastically. They aren’t conservative stances: they’re American stances.

Again, “support” and the like is avoiding the actual conversation I’m trying to have (and that conservatives go through great pains to avoid, as you’re doing now): what are the actual policies that you support? What does legislation that “opposes” these issues look like to you?

Because once you say “throw doctors/women in jail” or “break up families and deport people” or whatever it actually is, a lot of people who have intuitions “opposing” abortion/illegal immigration say “holy shit never mind”

Imagine reacting to Eric Garner's death by saying "polls indicate that most Americans think you shouldn't sell loose cigarettes"