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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Jun 8
      Replying to @trvrb

      My challenge with the lab leak hypothesis is that much of the "evidence" presented in the media simply isn't evidence of any kind. We're just relitigating the same arguments from February 2020 with new headlines

      6 replies 4 retweets 67 likes
    2. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal Jun 8
      Replying to @GidMK @trvrb

      What is the evidence of natural zoonosis? The wet market has already been disproven. Zero serological evidence of prior circulation in Wuhan. Zero serological evidence of anyone in wuhan being infected by batcovs before the Dec. 2019 outbreak...

      4 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Jun 8
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @trvrb

      As @trvrb pointed out, it happens often and the evidence is very consistent with a zoonotic outbreak driven by one of many potential sources

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    4. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal Jun 8
      Replying to @GidMK @trvrb

      What is that evidence, specifically? Lab leaks are common as well.pic.twitter.com/JQ4B2OWJbu

      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    5. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Jun 8
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @trvrb

      Are they? There have been dozens of zoonotic outbreaks in the last decade alone (likely hundreds, but dozens of ~recorded~ outbreaks), how many lab leaks in that time?

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    6. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal Jun 8
      Replying to @GidMK @trvrb

      Is that a serious question?pic.twitter.com/EFPf7XS4AS

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Jun 10
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @trvrb

      Of course it's serious. How many lab leaks have caused outbreaks of infectious disease since 2010?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal Jun 11
      Replying to @GidMK @trvrb

      Mitchell Rosenthal Retweeted Richard H. Ebright

      Here's one that just happened recently (2019)https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1402682647273431042?s=20 …

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      Richard H. EbrightVerified account @R_H_Ebright
      Replying to @R_H_Ebright @Nature and 2 others
      The claim is contradicted even by examples of lab-leak-caused epidemic that occurred in same country and same time as emergence of SARS-CoV-2: i.e. Brucellosis epidemic in Lanzhou and Harbin China that started with lab leak in Nov-Dec 2019 and ultimately infected 10,000+ persons.
      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Jun 11
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @trvrb

      So, firstly, there's a very obvious difference between a veterinary institute having an outbreak of brucellosis and a viral leak from a lab. But ignoring that, you're not answering the question - how many have happened in the last decade?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal Jun 11
      Replying to @GidMK @trvrb

      Sounds like you didnt read the story. Why are you focusing on post-2010? History of lab escapes is decades long and undeniably demonstrates that they can cause outbreaks. Dr Baric's UNC lab had sars-infected mice escape. Gottlieb concurs that lab leaks are not uncommon.pic.twitter.com/zY1SZ53ogR

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Jun 11
      Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @trvrb

      Lol, that's a different story to the one I read but also gives you an idea of how wildly different the scenarios you're imagining are. That's not a lab leak so much as a manufacturing error

      12:29 AM - 11 Jun 2021
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        1. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Jun 11
          Replying to @GidMK @M1tchRosenthal @trvrb

          I would agree that factories often make mistakes, however these rarely (never?) result in novel pathogens as far as I'm aware

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        2. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal Jun 11
          Replying to @GidMK @trvrb

          Let's review: - Dr Dazak stated that infection experiments w humanized mice had highest risk of spillover. - WIV performed such experiments. Dr. Shi's first thought was that the virus was from her lab at WIV - We've seen 6 seperate sars escapes since early 2000s.

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        3. Mitchell Rosenthal‏ @M1tchRosenthal Jun 11
          Replying to @M1tchRosenthal @GidMK @trvrb

          - Shi's team has created novel chimeric covs based on batcovs & tested them for infectivity in human cells. She has lied about performing work on RaTG13, the cov that is most closely related (96.2% similar) to cov2 - Directors of WHO and NIH call for lab leak to be srsly explored

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