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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 23

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    So, this is still ongoing, but I think there's an important lesson here in how wildly problematic academic debate is as a forum during a pandemichttps://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1396654447791525890 …

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    1/n Some more movement on this study from earlier in the year by Drs Ioannidis, Bhattacharya, Oh, and Bendavid Along with @lonnibesancon, @FLAHAULT, and others, we've published a series of responses and ongoing critiques of the piece https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1349164532627693570 …
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      2. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 23

        The bottom line is pretty depressing - we've spent months arguing back and forth, meanwhile this paper has had a HUGE impact and probably impacted policy decisions across the world

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      3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 23

        Thing is, our debate about this article has been FAST by academic standards Three letters/responses for a single article published in 6 months? Snappy by many standards

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      4. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 23

        And yet, it was still not even close to being quick enough to address any questions with the conclusions before the paper was used by real people to make real life-or-death decisions That's pretty frightening

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      5. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 23

        Academic debate was simply not designed to look at issues in the timeline of a pandemic. 6 months is a lifetime during COVID-19

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      6. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 23

        Forget this paper and this argument. There have been dozens of similar examples, some where the papers were eventually retracted They still took FAR too long

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      7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 23

        I honestly don't have a good solution other than completely reimagining scientific publishing somehow, but it is still quite a sad thing to watch academic discussion fail so completely to inform in a timely manner

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      8. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 23

        The other issue is with attention. The initial published article has an Altmetric score of 19,000 (!). Our letter in response is 206, their response to that is 409, and our newest letter only 9

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      9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 23

        This is also the landing page of the original article. No evidence here at all that there is the slightest debate about the study or its conclusionspic.twitter.com/S9EdEv5TsM

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      10. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 23

        It's fair to say that 99%+ of people who have read the study probably assume that there is no scientific issue with it, even though there are several letters pointing out problems ~published in the same journal~

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      2. Boris Barbour‏ @BorisBarbour May 24
        Replying to @GidMK

        I'm going to suggest that this is perhaps the most important argument for PubPeer or something like it (preprint comments, BMJ rapid reactions). To get the reactions out there and protect users/readers of papers. During the pandemic, the urgency was sometimes measured in hours...

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      3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK May 24
        Replying to @BorisBarbour

        Yes, very true! The problem is even in academic circles error checking mechanisms are rarely given much thought, let alone the attention they deserve

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