The studies do show no increase in suicide during lockdowns, but that estimate is confounded because lockdowns only occur when covid rates are high. Lockdowns in those times don’t increase suicides even if lockdowns all else equal might. Ergo only do lockdowns when necessary.
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rather impossible to disambiguate, though.
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It could be disambiguated by looking at the timing or comparing places with similar covid rates and different lockdown policies. Or comparing groups differentially affected by lockdowns. (I’m a health economist, that’s what I do for a living.)
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yeah on that front there isn't a lot of support for rate being associated with lockdown status (decreases regardless of lockdown policy), but even then, that's correlational work and not excellent for cause. at best "suggest"
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The best explanation I've heard so far is yours tbh - a combination of increased interventions aimed at preventing suicide, community pulling together, and perhaps some measure of reducing access to means
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That said, I’m still worried about everyone’s mental health right now. Trauma plus isolation plus feeling like the pandemic is supposed to be “over” while also seeming to drag on forever. The US is prob different than other countries - ahead in vaccinations but behind in cases.
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Agreed. I think overall mental health is a serious issue which is often ignored in these weirdly defensive arguments about suicide rates
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haha welcome to my world :P every time i post about suicide rates i'm called a whole host of names!
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It's so bizarre! People assume (falsely) that suicide rates perfectly correlate with diagnosed mental health disorders and get so angry when you point out that this is not really true
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Given that this is a thread about strawman arguments, mayyyyybe you shouldnt claim with no evidence or examples that people assume they "perfectly correlate" as opposed to the very intuitive assumption that they somewhat correlate?
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Health Nerd Retweeted Nate Silver
Uh, wasn't specifically referring to you there (wasn't even replying to you) but regardless if you want an example of someone equating mental health and suicide directly here's an example from very recentlyhttps://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1396583728189779969?s=20 …
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Replying to @GidMK @NateSilver538 and
I will admit, in the context of the discussion "perfectly" was somewhat hyperbolic - I meant "strongly". Apologies for the imprecise language there
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Replying to @GidMK @NateSilver538 and
No worries. Nate's familiar with imprecise language. He'll even condescendingly welcome you to the internet when he uses it. But I do appreciate your effort at clarity.
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