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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      Rémi Vachon Retweeted Richard Dawkins

      No, you are dodging the question. Do you believe that selective breeding would work in human ? (independently of the rationale behind what trait we select) If no, why ?https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1228943686953664512?s=20 …

      Rémi Vachon added,

      Richard DawkinsVerified account @RichardDawkins
      It’s one thing to deplore eugenics on ideological, political, moral grounds. It’s quite another to conclude that it wouldn’t work in practice. Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology.
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    2. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Actually, you are the one dodging the question. There are obviously traits that could be bred - the point is without any selection what is "selective" breeding? Can you breed selectively without ever considering the selection?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      The point is that the moment there is a genetic basis for a trait, there is no reason to believe selecting for it wouldn’t work. You are the one trying to dodge, trying to state there is a value judgment when there is none.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Ok, describe to me a process whereby you pick a trait to selectively breed in which there is no value judgement

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      It’s not about the process of selecting the trait, it’s about everything you do after you have selected the trait. I don’t need to have a place to go to prove to you that I can drive.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Actually, if there is no way of defining a starting point, then you literally can't drive, unless you redefine "driving" into meaninglessness

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      If you completely separate the process of separating a trait from what comes after, you don't have breeding you have random chance

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      Ok, you are just bullshitting your way out of answering the basic question. Knowing that height as a strong heritable dimension, if we « breeded » tall humans, could we or could we not end up with a population that is significantly taller on average?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Health Nerd Retweeted Health Nerd

      I already answered yes (in theory, as I said height is a bad example). So now tell me how you can select a trait to breed without making a selectionhttps://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1368724638784577536?s=20 …

      Health Nerd added,

      Health NerdVerified account @GidMK
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource
      Actually, you are the one dodging the question. There are obviously traits that could be bred - the point is without any selection what is "selective" breeding? Can you breed selectively without ever considering the selection?
      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      I’m saying that there is no scientific reason why breeding would not work. The « science » aspect of eugenism is not the problem, it’s the « moral » aspect of it that is.

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Completely dodging the question and ignoring the issue. How do you make a selection without having a value judgement? If you cannot make a selection, how can you breed anything?

      5:16 PM - 7 Mar 2021
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        2. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
          Replying to @GidMK @whsource

          You cannot vaccinate anyone without selecting someone to vaccinate based on a value judgment. Therefore vaccine science is fundamentally dependent on a value judgment ?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
          Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

          That is an argument to absurdity. It is fairly simple - if you can totally divorce selection from breeding, then detail how you can breed a dog without ever making a judgement about which traits you value

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