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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      Ok, question. If a mad dictator decided to breed human for multiple generations based on personality traits, would he succeed in creating a population that on average score way higher on his arbitrary selection of personality traits ?

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    2. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Probably not, although it's quite hard to say. Personality is an inherently complex trait that is a very sophisticated combination of genes and environment. He'd probably end up with a country full of very damaged people

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    3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      A better example is height, for which the answer would also be probably no. Height is influenced by genetics but at a population scale the biggest differences in height have come about due to nutrition and medicine

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    4. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      Ok, but isn’t dog size also influenced by nutrition ?

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    5. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Probably? I don't know much about dogs. All of this is missing the actual point tho - even if we ignore the theory around what personality ~is~, why is our mad dictator choosing certain characteristics?

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    6. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      Rémi Vachon Retweeted Richard Dawkins

      No, you are dodging the question. Do you believe that selective breeding would work in human ? (independently of the rationale behind what trait we select) If no, why ?https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1228943686953664512?s=20 …

      Rémi Vachon added,

      Richard DawkinsVerified account @RichardDawkins
      It’s one thing to deplore eugenics on ideological, political, moral grounds. It’s quite another to conclude that it wouldn’t work in practice. Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology.
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    7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Actually, you are the one dodging the question. There are obviously traits that could be bred - the point is without any selection what is "selective" breeding? Can you breed selectively without ever considering the selection?

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    8. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      The point is that the moment there is a genetic basis for a trait, there is no reason to believe selecting for it wouldn’t work. You are the one trying to dodge, trying to state there is a value judgment when there is none.

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    9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Ok, describe to me a process whereby you pick a trait to selectively breed in which there is no value judgement

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    10. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      It’s not about the process of selecting the trait, it’s about everything you do after you have selected the trait. I don’t need to have a place to go to prove to you that I can drive.

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Actually, if there is no way of defining a starting point, then you literally can't drive, unless you redefine "driving" into meaninglessness

      5:01 PM - 7 Mar 2021
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        2. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
          Replying to @GidMK @BanjoBouchon @whsource

          If you completely separate the process of separating a trait from what comes after, you don't have breeding you have random chance

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        3. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
          Replying to @GidMK @whsource

          Ok, you are just bullshitting your way out of answering the basic question. Knowing that height as a strong heritable dimension, if we « breeded » tall humans, could we or could we not end up with a population that is significantly taller on average?

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        2. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
          Replying to @GidMK @whsource

          Ok, so until someone has solved the meaning of life, no one can « know how to drive » ?

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        3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
          Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

          That's just an argument of absurdity. You literally cannot prove that you can drive to me if the possibility of a starting point does not exist - that is a logical fact

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