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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @whsource @BanjoBouchon

      Sure, but the entire purpose of eugenics as a science was to first define what traits we value and then select for them in the population. And this was a massive field which continued in California well into the 60s and 70s

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    2. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      Idk, it’s more like a social ideology « using science » to achieve something. Like medicine, in a way, use science to achieve the goal of keeping peoples alive and healthy. (which is not a given, like when patient would prefer we help them die quickly and painlessly)

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    3. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @GidMK @whsource

      I would say that eugenics has a philosophical aspect to it and a scientific aspect to it. Like medecine. It’s part science but motivated by a philosophy about what matter.

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    4. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Problem is, that's just an arbitrary separation between two concepts. Where does the "scientific" element of eugenics end and the philosophical part begin? Without a value proposition about which human traits are better, eugenics ceases to exist

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      Ok, question. If a mad dictator decided to breed human for multiple generations based on personality traits, would he succeed in creating a population that on average score way higher on his arbitrary selection of personality traits ?

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    6. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Probably not, although it's quite hard to say. Personality is an inherently complex trait that is a very sophisticated combination of genes and environment. He'd probably end up with a country full of very damaged people

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      A better example is height, for which the answer would also be probably no. Height is influenced by genetics but at a population scale the biggest differences in height have come about due to nutrition and medicine

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      Ok, but isn’t dog size also influenced by nutrition ?

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    9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Probably? I don't know much about dogs. All of this is missing the actual point tho - even if we ignore the theory around what personality ~is~, why is our mad dictator choosing certain characteristics?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
      Replying to @GidMK @whsource

      Rémi Vachon Retweeted Richard Dawkins

      No, you are dodging the question. Do you believe that selective breeding would work in human ? (independently of the rationale behind what trait we select) If no, why ?https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1228943686953664512?s=20 …

      Rémi Vachon added,

      Richard DawkinsVerified account @RichardDawkins
      It’s one thing to deplore eugenics on ideological, political, moral grounds. It’s quite another to conclude that it wouldn’t work in practice. Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology.
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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
      Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

      Actually, you are the one dodging the question. There are obviously traits that could be bred - the point is without any selection what is "selective" breeding? Can you breed selectively without ever considering the selection?

      4:45 PM - 7 Mar 2021
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        2. Rémi Vachon‏ @BanjoBouchon Mar 7
          Replying to @GidMK @whsource

          The point is that the moment there is a genetic basis for a trait, there is no reason to believe selecting for it wouldn’t work. You are the one trying to dodge, trying to state there is a value judgment when there is none.

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        3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK Mar 7
          Replying to @BanjoBouchon @whsource

          Ok, describe to me a process whereby you pick a trait to selectively breed in which there is no value judgement

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