I'll be honest, I'm not interested in a rational discussion here. I'm familiar with the numbers, I just don't care. I am absolutely apoplectic that adults would try to construct an argument *for* the pandemic response being not that harmful to children, in the aggregate.
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Because in the aggregate, we're sacrificing childrens' life-years in myriad ways, to protect 80-year-olds. Yes, I said it, I value the quality of childrens' lives over the lives of the old. Does that make me heartless? Maybe so.
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I'm not trying to convince you of anything, merely pointing out that what you said was incorrect wrt suicides. As I said in that thread, the fact that suicide rates have not increased does not mean that there have been no impacts
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I did not say that teen suicides are higher. I said that teens are committing suicide *due to* lockdown effects. And I will point out that suicide rate data doesn't include suicidal ideation, which according to pediatricians is higher, although I haven't seen data on it.
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If that is the case - and it is a complex question - then it is also the case that teens are avoiding suicide *due to* lockdowns
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So here's a theory for you - maybe teens aren't avoiding suicide so much as unable to follow through because they're stuck at home. And maybe once they've gotten their lives back teen suicide will spike. I mean, as long as we're speculating.
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Studies of post-lockdown periods have thus far not seen such an effect but anything is possible
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Lockdowns have never gone on this long.
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The lockdown in Victoria lasted >6 months and saw no such impact. It's in the thread
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@TinaG_SD, I don't think anyone is saying "yay let's have lockdowns because they prevent suicide." They're saying "let's have lockdowns to prevent infectious disease, and by the way, there is evidence that they don't increase teen suicide."1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Lockdowns are, to be sure, hard on kids and their education--and hard on most other people, too. They're awful. The question is whether there are better alternatives (and that answer, in turn, surely depends on the context and details).
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