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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. Jonathan Cronk‏ @jpcronk 8 Dec 2020
      Replying to @jpcronk @TinaG_SD and

      Publicly available CDC data doesn't break out by discrete causes (just natural cause vs all cause). Could there be fewer accidents and more suicides/overdoses? Definitely possible. In aggregate though, there doesn't appear to be a significant increase.

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    2. Jonathan Cronk‏ @jpcronk 8 Dec 2020
      Replying to @jpcronk @TinaG_SD and

      Last time I looked was NVSS data as of 11/18. There were nearly 400,000 excess all causes deaths at that point vs the median of 2015-2019. Excess external cause deaths was less than 2% of that total, for all age groups.

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    3. Jonathan Cronk‏ @jpcronk 8 Dec 2020
      Replying to @jpcronk @TinaG_SD and

      I haven't looked at the data recently because, frankly, it's depressing. Schools should be open. Hundreds of thousands of Americans should still be alive. We were the best prepared nation in the world for a pandemic, and the federal government utterly failed us.

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    4. Jonathan Cronk‏ @jpcronk 8 Dec 2020
      Replying to @jpcronk @TinaG_SD and

      I pulled the data for all causes deaths by age from the link below and aggregated it by month for ages 0-14 (the next age bin was 15-24). The count of deaths for 2020 is an undercount due to reporting lag (especially recent months), but... https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Monthly-provisional-counts-of-deaths-by-age-group-/ezfr-g6hf …pic.twitter.com/58MKxT1goR

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    5. Tina G‏ @TinaG_SD 9 Dec 2020
      Replying to @jpcronk @vlal42 and

      I love how anecdotes don't count when we're talking about teen suicides, but Covid anecdotes drive policy.

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    6. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 9 Dec 2020
      Replying to @TinaG_SD @jpcronk and

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      Here is some of the evidence on suicide rates during lockdownshttps://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1336493616097681412?s=19 …

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      Health NerdVerified account @GidMK
      Lockdowns have mostly not been associated with a large increase in suicide rates: a thread of evidence (CW: suicide, mental health) 🧵
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    7. Tina G‏ @TinaG_SD 9 Dec 2020
      Replying to @GidMK @jpcronk and

      I'll be honest, I'm not interested in a rational discussion here. I'm familiar with the numbers, I just don't care. I am absolutely apoplectic that adults would try to construct an argument *for* the pandemic response being not that harmful to children, in the aggregate.

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    8. Tina G‏ @TinaG_SD 9 Dec 2020
      Replying to @TinaG_SD @GidMK and

      Because in the aggregate, we're sacrificing childrens' life-years in myriad ways, to protect 80-year-olds. Yes, I said it, I value the quality of childrens' lives over the lives of the old. Does that make me heartless? Maybe so.

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    9. Tina G‏ @TinaG_SD 9 Dec 2020
      Replying to @TinaG_SD @GidMK and

      Gah, @GidMK and @jpcronk, think, THINK about what you're doing in this moment - you're trying to prove to some twitter rando that teen suicides aren't so bad if you look at them from 10,000 feet. What is wrong with you?

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    10. Tina G‏ @TinaG_SD 9 Dec 2020
      Replying to @TinaG_SD @GidMK and

      (And yes I am aware that @GidMK works on this stuff and knows the data better than most people.)

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 9 Dec 2020
      Replying to @TinaG_SD @jpcronk and

      I'm not trying to convince you of anything, merely pointing out that what you said was incorrect wrt suicides. As I said in that thread, the fact that suicide rates have not increased does not mean that there have been no impacts

      11:52 AM - 9 Dec 2020
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        2. Tina G‏ @TinaG_SD 9 Dec 2020
          Replying to @GidMK @jpcronk and

          I did not say that teen suicides are higher. I said that teens are committing suicide *due to* lockdown effects. And I will point out that suicide rate data doesn't include suicidal ideation, which according to pediatricians is higher, although I haven't seen data on it.

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        3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 9 Dec 2020
          Replying to @TinaG_SD @jpcronk and

          If that is the case - and it is a complex question - then it is also the case that teens are avoiding suicide *due to* lockdowns

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