Let's break that down. I gave context by detailing some of those risks The survival rate of COVID isn't 99.9% that's just wrong You should also consider the risks of this becoming endemic. There are many vulnerable groups, and we all get older, and move into higher risk groups
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Replying to @0bj3ctivity @federicolois and
It's already endemic. So is flu and all previous corona viruses. You are wrong about the IFRs but please tell us at what IFR you stop campaigning for mask torturing our children? Whats you line in IFR sand?
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Replying to @Kevin_McKernan @federicolois and
It's not yet endemic globally, plenty of countries with effective Governments have been able to control spread, eg Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia. Why wouldn't you aspire for America to be one of the best in public health and protect its citizens, rather than one of the worst?
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Replying to @0bj3ctivity @Kevin_McKernan and
As regards IFR, it's more meaningful to use age stratified IFR https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v7 … But it's important to recognise there are significant morbidity risks from long COVID, reinfection, immune damage, and increased risks of other infections, cancers and autoimmune disease
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Replying to @0bj3ctivity @federicolois and
Please google long term health consequences for flu so you can calibrate your 1-dimensional fear porn.
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Replying to @Kevin_McKernan @federicolois and
Tom Andrews 💙 Retweeted Health Nerd
Oh I'm fully aware, seasonal flu is a risk too, but nowhere near as significant as SARS-COV-2 this year Fortunately protection measures vs SARS-COV-2 (such as social distancing & masks) are proving most beneficial in reducing flu prevalence toohttps://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1306726340226215936?s=19 …
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Replying to @0bj3ctivity @federicolois and
Please itemize how he is counting flu and get back to us. When you figure this out, the next thing you need to reconcile with the non-peer reviewed tweet above is that flu has disappeared and C19 is spiking in the US. Mask do that magic too?
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Replying to @Kevin_McKernan @federicolois and
If you're interested in how I'm counting things, you are welcome to read the thread and check the references. The IFR of influenza varies by year, but is around 0.05%. IFR for COVID-19 varies depending on the age-groups infected, but is at least 5-10x that in most populations
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Replying to @GidMK @federicolois and
0.1% Flu IFR- Fauci et al. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejme2002387 … 0.23% C19 IFR- Ioannidis https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf … CDC disclaimer: influenza counts are modeled due to low frequency testing. Do you agree C19 has a lower IFR for children than influenza?
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Replying to @Kevin_McKernan @federicolois and
Lol you haven't read that paper have you? That's the CASE fatality rate of influenza, or CFR. Given that there are many asymptomatic flu cases, the IFR is substantially lower
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And no, I don't think we have enough data to be certain that the IFR of influenza is higher than COVID in children. Under age 20, they appear to be quite similar, above age 30 COVID is far more fatal, but other than that it is hard to say
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