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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @ktibus @AlanLevinovitz @D_503zam

      Nope. She is an intersex woman, assigned female at birth

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    2. Dr KayRay‏ @ktibus 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @GidMK @AlanLevinovitz @D_503zam

      And is the fact that she is XY with internal testes irrelevant?

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    3. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @ktibus @GidMK @D_503zam

      I think the correct position is that intersex can be extremely complicated. For example, someone who is 46 XY with androgen insensitivity does not benefit in any meaningful way from their condition—and even on basis of biology (breasts, no male genitalia, no hair)...

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    4. Alan Levinovitz‏Verified account @AlanLevinovitz 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @ktibus and

      alone, it would seem bizarre to categorize them as men. In Semenya's case the details are not known, as far as I can tell, but assuming she is 46 XY DSD PAID (partially androgen insensitive) the case could be made in a variety of ways, and was during the initial trial.

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    5. Dr KayRay‏ @ktibus 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @GidMK @D_503zam

      Yes, and my point is that to completely ignore the complexity and say that anyone not completely fitting the category of male can compete with women is not fair to women either.

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    6. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @ktibus @AlanLevinovitz @D_503zam

      My main issue with this is the bad science. If you're going to argue that someone has an unfair competitive advantage, but there is no evidence that is the case, then it's essentially a pseudo-scientific argument

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    7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @GidMK @ktibus and

      On top of this, I think people commonly ignore the racist/sexist traditions of sex testing in favour of a pure biological argument, but given that this ruling explicitly targets a black woman from Africa it's worth considering these

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    8. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @GidMK @ktibus and

      I should note that this isn't a small issue - Semenya has to lower her T or not compete, but a woman with hyperandrogenism running the 100m is fine. Conversely, a woman with hyperandrogenism due to another intersex condition running the 800m is also fine

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    9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @GidMK @ktibus and

      People love making this into some obscure argument about the philosophy of sport and fairness, but it is also about the power structures in the world and the singling out of a specific athlete

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    10. Dr KayRay‏ @ktibus 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @GidMK @AlanLevinovitz @D_503zam

      If we are going to say that its okay for anyone to compete in women's sport as long as they are only as good as the top women then there is an issue.

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 10 Sep 2020
      Replying to @ktibus @AlanLevinovitz @D_503zam

      That's very obviously not what I'm saying and is a complete straw man of my position

      3:51 PM - 10 Sep 2020
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        2. Dr KayRay‏ @ktibus 10 Sep 2020
          Replying to @GidMK @AlanLevinovitz @D_503zam

          My point is not bad science: that there can't be a blanket rule that says if you are intersex it's okay to compete with women. That would not be fair to women.

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        3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 10 Sep 2020
          Replying to @ktibus @AlanLevinovitz @D_503zam

          It sounds like you might be unaware of the background here? That is certainly not what I have said, nor indeed a point that I believe anyone has ever made. There is specific bad science in the IAAF ruling:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-28/critics-say-iaaf-testosterone-rules-blatantly-racist/9706744 …

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