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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. Jeremy Gans‏ @jeremy_gans 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @GidMK

      Do you think the signatories’ sole concern and point is their own jobs? What do you make of this paragraph? The highlighted sentence seems to be about David Shor, who was sacked for a single tweet quoting a research paper.pic.twitter.com/MRMRiOf0Do

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    2. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jeremy_gans

      I don't know anything about that incident, but if you look at the signatories I don't think anyone is in danger of having their voice go unheard any time soon

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    3. Jeremy Gans‏ @jeremy_gans 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @GidMK

      The danger has passed for Salmam Rushdie, you think? The David Shor case is described here: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/stop-firing-innocent/613615/ ….

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    4. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jeremy_gans

      Absolutely, I do not think Rushdie is in any danger of having his voice go unheard any time soon That's a problematic case. It is, however, not really applicable to most of the signatories to the letter

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    5. Jeremy Gans‏ @jeremy_gans 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @GidMK

      I hope your prediction is right on Rushdie, though I imagine you wouldn't swap places with him, right? I sure wouldn't: https://92newshd.tv/bounty-for-killing-salman-rushdie-increased/ …. But I don't get your stance: 'people who aren't in personal danger of silencing shouldn't speak out in favour of people who are?'

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    6. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jeremy_gans

      But they're not really speaking up for these people - they're an offhand comment in the broader point which is the chilling risk of these powerful individuals not having the platform that they currently enjoy

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    7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @GidMK @jeremy_gans

      There's no campaign to re-hire people, no investment in a legal fund to defend them, just a ridiculous letter decrying the horrors of "cancellation"

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    8. Jeremy Gans‏ @jeremy_gans 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @GidMK

      Dozens of the signatories launched just such a campaign last week: https://www.persuasion.community/p/our-board . The organiser is Yascha Mounk, who wrote the article on David Shor and others that I linked to earlier.

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    9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jeremy_gans

      That's much less ridiculous than the letter. Part of the problem is that "cancel culture" is a phrase that is largely used by people instead of "foreseeable consequences"

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    10. Jeremy Gans‏ @jeremy_gans 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @GidMK

      Yes. Note that the letter doesn't use the word 'cancel'. The word it uses is 'censoriousness', defined as: 'an intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty.'

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 8 Jul 2020
      Replying to @jeremy_gans

      I mean, they use the term "silence". It's not like they're hiding the meaning

      6:20 PM - 8 Jul 2020
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        2. Jeremy Gans‏ @jeremy_gans 8 Jul 2020
          Replying to @GidMK

          Of course not, but you did single out the phrase. And 'silence' is paired with 'or wish them away', and juxtaposed with 'exposure, argument, and persuasion'.

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        3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 8 Jul 2020
          Replying to @jeremy_gans

          I'm not denying it's a well-written letter, I'm saying the ideas contained therein are absurd

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        2. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 8 Jul 2020
          Replying to @GidMK @jeremy_gans

          Moreover, the phrase "we need to preserve good faith disagreement without dire professional consequences" is a hilarious piece of nonsense. As if the primary issue is good faith arguments and not people who uncritically say some truly awful stuff

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        3. Jeremy Gans‏ @jeremy_gans 8 Jul 2020
          Replying to @GidMK

          But I think this is where you are missing the context, given you are unaware of David Shor etc.

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