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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 31 May 2020

      The boring fact is that society is unequal and that this impacts public health. The corollary to this is that, if you want to improve health, you have to improve society There is no apolitical epidemiology

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    2. Christopher Snowdon‏Verified account @cjsnowdon 31 May 2020
      Replying to @GidMK

      Everyone wants to improve society. Epidemiologists’ views about how to do that are no better than anyone else’s.

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    3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 31 May 2020
      Replying to @cjsnowdon

      "Better" is a moral judgement, so obviously you're right - it's inherently subjective Better informed, however, is a more reasonable point, and I think very defensible

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    4. Christopher Snowdon‏Verified account @cjsnowdon 31 May 2020
      Replying to @GidMK

      I’ll change it to “better informed” then, and say exactly the same thing.

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    5. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 31 May 2020
      Replying to @cjsnowdon

      I'd say then that you're pretty obviously wrong - studying a subject in depth may not make your opinions "better" but it's very odd to argue that it doesn't make someone better informed

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    6. Christopher Snowdon‏Verified account @cjsnowdon 31 May 2020
      Replying to @GidMK

      Epidemiology is not the study of how to improve the world, and even if it were it would be so broad as to be meaningless.

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    7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 31 May 2020
      Replying to @cjsnowdon

      Nope, but it is the study of the health of societies and how to improve them. Whether you consider health important is, of course, a value judgement, but I think it would be terribly disingenuous to argue that most people don't

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    8. Christopher Snowdon‏Verified account @cjsnowdon 31 May 2020
      Replying to @GidMK

      Everybody considers health important, just as they consider money, happiness and wisdom important, but that doesn’t bless those who study business, economics or philosophy with the gift of knowing how to improve society. There are competing priorities, for a start.

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    9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 31 May 2020
      Replying to @cjsnowdon

      There are always competing priorities, but I'm not sure what your point is. I'd agree, for example, that economists are also better informed than most in terms of societal improvement, in this context health economists perhaps most of all

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    10. Christopher Snowdon‏Verified account @cjsnowdon 31 May 2020
      Replying to @GidMK

      My point is that epidemiologists have expertise in a limited field and the fact that they want to improve society (like everyone else) does not make them experts in assessing what society’s problem is, let alone in devising the solution. Marmot is a good example.

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 31 May 2020
      Replying to @cjsnowdon

      Well, you've shifted a bit there, from "better than anyone else" to "experts" which is clearly not quite the same. Regardless, I think it's fair to say that your argument only makes sense in a context where you don't consider health/wellbeing a societal issue

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        1. Dr Horsey McHorseface  ⚫‏ @IncitatusAlpha 31 May 2020
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          I'd just leave it there. The moving goalpost writes....

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