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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @GidMK

      Right, but what I'm trying to say is if it were shown that IF causes weight loss even without CR, then how is it obvious that CR caused weight loss when both are at play? Of course weight loss always involves a caloric deficit. I don't think it's typically the "cause", though.

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    2. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore

      But I don't think that has been shown, certainly not outside of a few rodent studies that arguably have failed to replicate. In humans, AFAIK there's no good evidence that IF causes weightloss sans caloric restriction

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    3. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @GidMK

      Fair, though I think it's suggestive. Regardless, I think you're confusing CR with caloric deficit. No one I know claims that you didn't expend more calories than you took in if you lost weight. That's a different way of stating the result, not the cause.

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    4. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore

      Nah, the whole argument for IF as the "best" dietary pattern relies on the idea that it causes weight reduction independent of a calorie deficit. I don't think that's been demonstrated at all, a far simpler explanation is that it's just another way of cutting calories

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    5. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @GidMK

      I can definitely imagine IF being used that way. I didn't mean to defend it as best! I'm just arguing with the principle that a dietary strategy that results in caloric deficit means any fat lost was because of caloric deficit.

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    6. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore

      Sure, but I think it's fair to say that the most likely explanation of weight loss in a dietary pattern that causes you to eat less is the eating less rather than some speculative and unproven mechanism

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    7. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @GidMK

      It depends. If the cause of eating less is actually just that you're not allowed to eat most of the time, then that's not very interesting, but if you stop wanting to eat as much, then the cause of that change in wanting becomes exactly the interesting part.--

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    8. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK

      -- If you're overweight and still hungry, that's actually kind of odd, don't you think? A diet that is *causing* you to use your own fat efficiently, should of course make you *want* to eat less. The fact that CR generally doesn't is fascinating.

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    9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore

      Interesting thought, but I would argue that the evidence that IF reduces appetite is, at best, inconsistent. Might do so for some people, but on average it's very unclear

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    10. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @GidMK

      I agree, especially since IF is vague.

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 9 Dec 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore

      Yeh that's very true. No good definition, although the theory is similar for all methods

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