Yeh, definitely not very convincing to me at least. So, I guess, back to the original point - I think it's not unfair to say that implying someone is suffering from a speculative disorder that hasn't been demonstrated even in epidemiological trials is "truly ridiculous"
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Replying to @GidMK @zoeharcombe
Heh, well, that was just me sketching how I would argue plausible mechanisms, which themselves are not evidence of a causal relationship, which is why to your original point I said "yes, when all we have is epidemiology and plausible mechanisms we should be careful."
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Replying to @KetoCarnivore @zoeharcombe
Haha sure, but I think the mechanism is more speculative than plausible at the very least, and generally the epidemiological evidence doesn't really support the claim, so...
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Replying to @GidMK @zoeharcombe
This is exactly how I feel about recommendations to eat plants.
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Replying to @KetoCarnivore @zoeharcombe
But in that case the epidemiological evidence is very consistently protective/beneficial. You can discount the evidence, sure, but that's different from the studies not showing the effect you're arguing for at all
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Replying to @GidMK @zoeharcombe
It's rather parallel. Show me the epidemiology on no plants vs plants. Isn't that exactly the mirror of your complaint?
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Replying to @KetoCarnivore @zoeharcombe
Oh, there's a wealth of epidemiological evidence for the good health of vegetarians. I linked to quite a few studies in my blog. I don't think it's necessarily causal, but the effect is extremely solid i.e.https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/337301 …
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Replying to @GidMK @zoeharcombe
I see a solid weak association. Those relative risks aren't particularly impressive.
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Replying to @KetoCarnivore @zoeharcombe
Well, epidemiology is about more than relative risks. I think it's entirely uncontroversial to say that vegetarians tend to live longer, healthier lives than the average non-vegetarian. The causal mechanism is the question
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Replying to @GidMK @zoeharcombe
Really? Is this an outlier: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26657045 But yes, I agree that even if such were found, it would like be confounded.
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Yep, the general trend is for vegetarians to be healthier. That being said, they're also usually wealthier, younger etc, so as you say likely confounding
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