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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK @zoeharcombe

      1) they're overlooked because conditionally essential only means we can make a non-zero amount of them, but the amounts we might be adapted to expect could have relied on both exogenous and endogenous supply combined, and

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    2. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK @zoeharcombe

      2) many have positive effects when supplied in high amounts in such a way that "looks like" deficiency repletion. Many of these could effect brain function. But this is just a skeletal argument, not meant to persuade.

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    3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @zoeharcombe

      Yeh, definitely not very convincing to me at least. So, I guess, back to the original point - I think it's not unfair to say that implying someone is suffering from a speculative disorder that hasn't been demonstrated even in epidemiological trials is "truly ridiculous"

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    4. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @GidMK @zoeharcombe

      Heh, well, that was just me sketching how I would argue plausible mechanisms, which themselves are not evidence of a causal relationship, which is why to your original point I said "yes, when all we have is epidemiology and plausible mechanisms we should be careful."

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    5. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @zoeharcombe

      Haha sure, but I think the mechanism is more speculative than plausible at the very least, and generally the epidemiological evidence doesn't really support the claim, so...

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    6. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @GidMK @zoeharcombe

      This is exactly how I feel about recommendations to eat plants.

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    7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @zoeharcombe

      But in that case the epidemiological evidence is very consistently protective/beneficial. You can discount the evidence, sure, but that's different from the studies not showing the effect you're arguing for at all

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    8. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @GidMK @zoeharcombe

      It's rather parallel. Show me the epidemiology on no plants vs plants. Isn't that exactly the mirror of your complaint?

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    9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @zoeharcombe

      Oh, there's a wealth of epidemiological evidence for the good health of vegetarians. I linked to quite a few studies in my blog. I don't think it's necessarily causal, but the effect is extremely solid i.e.https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/337301 …

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    10. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @GidMK @zoeharcombe

      I see a solid weak association. Those relative risks aren't particularly impressive.

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @zoeharcombe

      Well, epidemiology is about more than relative risks. I think it's entirely uncontroversial to say that vegetarians tend to live longer, healthier lives than the average non-vegetarian. The causal mechanism is the question

      4:23 PM - 22 Oct 2019
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        2. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 22 Oct 2019
          Replying to @GidMK @zoeharcombe

          Really? Is this an outlier: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26657045  But yes, I agree that even if such were found, it would like be confounded.

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        3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 22 Oct 2019
          Replying to @KetoCarnivore @zoeharcombe

          Yep, the general trend is for vegetarians to be healthier. That being said, they're also usually wealthier, younger etc, so as you say likely confounding

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