Can't believe this needs to be said (seriously), but: The statements "Dietary guidelines are totally ineffective" and "Dietary guidelines have had a huge effect" are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE If they didn't have an effect, they didn't have an effect
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Replying to @GidMK
They were very effective at demonizing animal products. Take out those calories - what do you eat instead? Seed oils, sugar, grains - cheap, easy to eat/cook, and apparently healthier than meat.
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Replying to @Travis_Statham
Animal products were and are a central component of the dietary guidelines I have literally no idea what you mean
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Replying to @GidMK
lol what? Even today they've been replaced with the word 'protein'. Animal products contain saturated fat and cholestorl and have been demonized since the 1977 dietary guidelines for americans.
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Replying to @Travis_Statham
"They don't advocate for precisely my point of view" is not the same as "demonizing" animal products. If nothing else, there is an entire food group for dairy, which many have argued is unnecessary and industry influenced
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Replying to @GidMK
And I'd agree with that - but if you don't think a 7th Day Adventist, Nick Mottern, who wrote the original dietary guidelines, demonized meat - I'm not sure what is going on here. They put limits on the amount of saturated fat and said that dietary cholesterol led to heartdisease
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Replying to @Travis_Statham
To be fair, I'm less interested in the 1970s than, say, the last three decades, but even so animal products have been a central part of the guidelines since the beginning
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I mean, arguing that the 1977 goals are the same as the guidelines today is the same as saying that the first DSM - which was scientifically flawed - is representative of psychiatry today
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