Kindly demonstrate ANY randomized INTERVENTIONAL trial data that shows fiber, vitamins, phytonutrients or antioxidants decrease MACE/Mortality... If fiber is so powerful or antioxidants, surely there is a trial that demonstrates merely ADDING it as INTERVENTION reduces events.
An example might be that there is no consistent evidence that protein supplementation is effective for most things, but that doesn't mean that steak is a waste of time
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I didnt say that whole plant foods were a waste of time, did I ?
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True. I'd definitely agree that most supplements are a waste of time. My original point, that RCTs by design mostly can't assess ACM/MACE is also worth remembering
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