Low carbists ignore whatever data they don't like.https://twitter.com/Drgarthdavis/status/1136979519947071490 …
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Replying to @EAllen0417
Kindly demonstrate ANY randomized INTERVENTIONAL trial data that shows fiber, vitamins, phytonutrients or antioxidants decrease MACE/Mortality... If fiber is so powerful or antioxidants, surely there is a trial that demonstrates merely ADDING it as INTERVENTION reduces events.
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Replying to @DoctorTro @EAllen0417
There are very few trials except in the least healthy populations that look at MACE/mortality, because these are relatively rare events. I'm not aware of any for low carb/keto, for example - many on HbA1c or weight ofc
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Replying to @GidMK @EAllen0417
I don’t claim that ketogenic diets are shown to decrease MACE. Yet the zealots say fiber and antioxidants and phytonutrients provide magic. The data just isn’t there. They have done RCTs no effect seen
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Replying to @DoctorTro @EAllen0417
I've yet to see anyone claim magic aside from the tabloids, but they claim magic for everything. I agree that there are no RCTs demonstrating the benefits in terms of MACE/ACM but that's a bit of a straw man because it's practically impossible to conduct one
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Replying to @GidMK @EAllen0417
They have done it! Vitamins, antioxidants, fiber has all been tested in randomized interventional trials with UNDERWHELMING performance.
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Replying to @DoctorTro @EAllen0417
Oh certainly, as individual supplements. Antioxidants in particular have been shown to be useless as supplements. The question of whole foods is less easy to answer, however
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Replying to @GidMK @EAllen0417
So you think that the vitamins, fiber and antioxidants when in a plant magically have more of an effect? Help me with occumz razor here
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Replying to @GidMK @EAllen0417
“The question of Whole Foods” what did you mean by that
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Whether the effect of foods, which are far more complex than, say, anthocyanin pills, has more of an effect than each isolated ingredient in pharmaceutical form
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An example might be that there is no consistent evidence that protein supplementation is effective for most things, but that doesn't mean that steak is a waste of time
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Replying to @GidMK @EAllen0417
I didnt say that whole plant foods were a waste of time, did I ?
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