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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

      Health Nerd Retweeted Sir Panda (Zad Rafi)

      After watching this entire hours-long debate, I think the biggest issue I have with the entire argument from Taubes is pretty simple It's a fairly basic misunderstanding of how evidence is generated and usedhttps://twitter.com/dailyzad/status/1108129947271512065 …

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      Sir Panda (Zad Rafi) @dailyzad
      I think Gary Taubes took an L here. Great job @whsource https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA3QavPp1Ho …
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    2. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

      It comes up time and again in low-carb vs low-fat arguments, but also in arguments about vaccines, or glyphosate Basically, the idea is that you can ignore science completely when you don't like the way it was generated

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    3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

      Let me explain Taubes repeatedly criticizes meta-analyses, saying that they are just a method of lumping together bad studies to prove your pre-ordained conclusion Now, that's wrong. Simply incorrect. It's true of very BAD MAs, but not the majority of studies done

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    4. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

      So the argument is that we can't trust a large portion of science - that conveniently provides strong evidence against the claims being made - because the generation method doesn't conform to the extremely specific elements that are required

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    5. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

      (If you're a fan of logical fallacies, this is usually called "moving the goalposts" because the person making the argument has arbitrarily changed what they'll accept as evidence to fit their own preconceived beliefs)

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    6. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

      But that's just not how evidence appraisal works Understanding and interpreting bias is a huge and complex part of science, but saying "this study wasn't done in [x] way therefore it's totally useless" is not evidence appraisal, it's nonsense

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

      Another example - Taubes criticizes work by a scientist because he was at one point paid by a private company I've written entire threads about why this perspective is factually inaccurate

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        2. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

          Health Nerd Retweeted Health Nerd

          In brief: you can't throw out studies because they were done by people/businesses you don't like. To do so runs against the evidence and makes no sensehttps://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1103539010025119744 …

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          Health NerdVerified account @GidMK
          This is a common misconception that springs up all the time, so let's talk industry bias in scientific research Does industry funding make a study bad - a tweetorial https://twitter.com/mabelyang/status/1103491457854423040 …
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        3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

          It's important to take into account who generated the evidence - who ran/funded the study - because it may be a source of bias. But it also might not YOU CAN'T JUST THROW IT OUT THAT'S NOT HOW SCIENCE WORKS

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        4. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

          Taubes also repeatedly says (paraphrasing) "when a new study comes out that disagrees with my opinions I pick through it to find out why it's wrong" I think that's very revealing

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        5. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

          Science moves forward, ideally, using evidence. The evidence is generated and informs our theories accordingly That's not what Taubes is saying here at all

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        6. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

          If all you do when disconfirmatory evidence comes out - studies that directly contradict your viewpoint - is find a way to ignore them, THEN YOU ARE PROBABLY WRONG

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        7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

          And you see this all the time in anti-vaccine arguments as well New massive study comes out that shows that vaccines don't cause autism? Well, it was done in Denmark and we all know the Danish are unethical just look at this other guy who once lived in Denmark (ACTUAL ARGUMENT)

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        8. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

          So there are dozens of studies that directly contradict Taubes' viewpoint. What of it? They're done by people once paid by industry, or are meta-analyses, or don't have the exact specifics of the one study whose evidence he will accept that conveniently supports his opinions

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        9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 19 Mar 2019

          Ultimately, it's very hard to argue against these viewpoints because the often it seems that the only evidence that's accepted is confirmatory Anything that isn't just gets discarded Which is not how science works at all. Fin.

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