At 0.45 Guru-Murphy complains about the minister citing facts.https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1063827283662778373 …
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Replying to @cjsnowdon
The destitution number come from JRF. It is a made up statistic that tries to measure how many people have benefit problems essentially.https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/destitution-uk-2018 …
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Replying to @philjvtaylor @cjsnowdon
JRF uses careful constructions such as: "last year over 1.5 million people in the UK were pushed into destitution". On page 13 of their report they say:pic.twitter.com/FaNkjOipCG
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Replying to @philjvtaylor @cjsnowdon
So at any one time the number defined by JRF as being destitute is 184,000 rather than 1.5 million. Alston said: "1.5 million are destitute, unable to afford basic essentials". He was misusing the JRF data.
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Replying to @philjvtaylor @cjsnowdon
That's incorrect. The 184,000 is an estimate of destitute individuals who were accessing services (i.e. foodbanks) in any one week. This is distinct from the 1.5million estimate, which is for the total population, who may or may not access services in any particular week
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Replying to @GidMK @philjvtaylor
I haven’t read the report but based on the quote above it looks like the 1.5m includes anyone who has been in need in any given week per year?
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Replying to @cjsnowdon @philjvtaylor
It does, but it's also more than that. It's a nationalized, annualized estimate of the total population of destitute individuals derived from a reasonably large survey at 16 sampling regions
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Replying to @GidMK @cjsnowdon
That is a framing device. Yes people have crises. They do not last a year. Hence the 1.5 million is bogus. There are perfectly robust ONS poverty stats out there. This JRF is just not that good quality. Why didn't Alston use one official stat?
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Replying to @philjvtaylor @cjsnowdon
I think you've misunderstood how they calculated the estimate, it's more complex than 185,000*52-repeats. In many ways, that actually makes it more problematic, but they didn't annualize in the way you're suggesting
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Replying to @GidMK @cjsnowdon
I agree. They say in any one week 185,000 having episodes. Over a year 1.5 million have episodes. All agreed. But there are not 1.5 million having episodes all the time. Alston said: "1.5 million are destitute". JED never presented themselves with those words.
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The 1.5 mil figure was based on the definition of destitution in the report and calculated from survey responses, not simply use of services
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Replying to @GidMK @cjsnowdon
Alston used language JRF never used. And you are ignoring JRF's own words. Page 13:pic.twitter.com/N2TzFXlTgL
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