At 0.45 Guru-Murphy complains about the minister citing facts.https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1063827283662778373 …
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Replying to @cjsnowdon
The destitution number come from JRF. It is a made up statistic that tries to measure how many people have benefit problems essentially.https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/destitution-uk-2018 …
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Replying to @philjvtaylor @cjsnowdon
JRF uses careful constructions such as: "last year over 1.5 million people in the UK were pushed into destitution". On page 13 of their report they say:pic.twitter.com/FaNkjOipCG
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Replying to @philjvtaylor @cjsnowdon
So at any one time the number defined by JRF as being destitute is 184,000 rather than 1.5 million. Alston said: "1.5 million are destitute, unable to afford basic essentials". He was misusing the JRF data.
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Replying to @philjvtaylor @cjsnowdon
That's incorrect. The 184,000 is an estimate of destitute individuals who were accessing services (i.e. foodbanks) in any one week. This is distinct from the 1.5million estimate, which is for the total population, who may or may not access services in any particular week
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Replying to @GidMK @philjvtaylor
I haven’t read the report but based on the quote above it looks like the 1.5m includes anyone who has been in need in any given week per year?
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Replying to @cjsnowdon @philjvtaylor
It does, but it's also more than that. It's a nationalized, annualized estimate of the total population of destitute individuals derived from a reasonably large survey at 16 sampling regions
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Replying to @GidMK @philjvtaylor
Sure, but I’m not sure many people would describe that as destitute. Kind of like using a food bank once and being described as “reliant on food banks to live”.
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Replying to @cjsnowdon @philjvtaylor
That's not what they used as a definition. The definition is here. Without being an expert in the field, I can't say anything definitively, but looking at the report it sounds like a fair definition to usepic.twitter.com/AA02Az0XwO
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Replying to @GidMK @cjsnowdon
Their definition is fine and good for pushing government to improve benefit system. But the spin tries to change an episode into a whole year crisis. Having a crisis does not make you "destitute " for a year.
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Look, again, I'd suggest you read the technical report. They didn't just derive the number based on how many people accessed services, it was based on survey responses and a number of calculated factors https://researchportal.hw.ac.uk/en/publications/destitution-in-the-uk-2018-technical-report …
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So there are 1.5 million "destitute" all year long? Or 1.5 million have short episodes of "destitution" in a year?
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