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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore

      I mean, as far as correlating systemic inflammation with individual foods I think it's unlikely you could do a better job, and they confirmed the associations in this study as well. I don't think the accusation of "garbage" is fair at all

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    2. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @GidMK

      If the context is epidemiological, then I agree you could hardly do a better job.

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    3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore

      That seems like a very poor argument. The original research was clinical. It seems you are just belittling epidemiology, which isn't particularly logical

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    4. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @GidMK

      It's not that I'm belittling epidemiology, it's just not useful for that job. If you want to understand the effects of individual foods, you need to isolate them from each other and from other lifestyle choice factors.

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    5. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK

      Meat cannot itself be inflammatory. It only takes a few counterexamples to defeat that hypothesis, and we have those. My own hsCRP was last measured as below the lowest range of the test (0.3mg/L) on a plant-free diet. This is a typical anecdotal finding on plant-free diets.

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    6. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK

      So any finding of increased hsCRP from increased meat eating must be only a signal of meat eating being associated with other inflammatory behaviour in the population. It doesn't transfer out of context. It can't be used to guide choices.

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    7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore

      Or inflammation is, as I said, more complex than you can easily link to individual foods Also, anecdotes are a wonderful starting point for research but useless in determining the correct answer

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    8. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @GidMK @KetoCarnivore

      I'm sure you can see the enormous issue with arguing that "meat cannot be linked to inflammation" by using anecdotes that are subject to innumerable biases, in particular survivorship bias

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    9. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @GidMK

      Anecdotes are useless for proving positive hypotheses, but serve perfectly well as counterexamples to disprove hypotheses of the general type "meat is inflammatory". You now have to argue that I'm a special snowflake if you want to claim that.

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    10. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore

      ? Not at all. I can just say, again, that it's probably more complicated than "x food is inflammatory" and that such an attitude is probably reductionist regardless of which food you use as "x"

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      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 21 Sep 2018
      Replying to @GidMK @KetoCarnivore

      For example, meat could be inflammatory for 99.99999999999% of people with you the odd exception. Meat could be inflammatory unless your name starts with L. Probably not, but that's the issue with anecdotes; you just don't know

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        2. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 21 Sep 2018
          Replying to @GidMK

          Yes. That's what I meant by special snowflake. I grant you that. I just think it's extraordinarily unlikely. I also think lack of inflammatory response is more likely to be general than inflammatory response, since intolerances can be idiosyncratic.

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        3. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 21 Sep 2018
          Replying to @KetoCarnivore

          Well, in the absence of evidence for your position I'd say that this study does seem to indicate that for the average person meat is associated with inflammation. Obviously, as my blog says, I'm skeptical of the causal associations for both meat and most of those other foods

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