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Epidemiologist. Writer (Guardian, Observer etc). "Well known research trouble-maker". PhDing at @UoW Host of @senscipod Email gidmk.healthnerd@gmail.com he/him

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    1. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 23 Aug 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK and

      This framing has caused harm to public perception of LCDs, exacerbated by inappropriate but predictable headlines such as "LCDs take four years off your life." It is difficult not to attribute deliberate deceptive intent, and this generates ill will and lack of trust. 3/

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    2. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 23 Aug 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK and

      The deeper conflict is what we were discussing. It is precisely that we don't agree on the causal pathways in the first place, that makes LCAs see this kind of study as fundamentally worthless. These assumptions affect how the statistics are analysed. 4/

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 23 Aug 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK and

      LCAs came to be advocates because of effects like the ones cited above. Even if you don't take carbohydrates as a primary driver of metabolic syndrome, once MetS has developed, risk factors can be drastically, favourably changed by LCDs. 5/

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 23 Aug 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK and

      The LCA model of causality is that (chronic high carb intake & some other factors) → chronic hyperinsulinemia → (MetS & diabetes & CVD), whereas the HCA model seems to be: (gluttony & sloth & genetics & some other factors) → overweight → (optionally MetS & diabetes) → CVD 6/

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 23 Aug 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK and

      Therefore to a LCA, adjusting for diabetes is tantamount to adjusting for the outcome, but it shouldn't be warranted under the other model either, as it is still at least sometimes on the path. 7/

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 23 Aug 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK and

      In any case, the essential conflict is a disagreement about the causal model, and therefore epidemiological studies that have causal assumptions from the HCA model baked in cannot possibly contribute evidence that would be compelling to someone with a different causal model. 8/8

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 23 Aug 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @bokkiedog and

      It's interesting, because while I can see where you're coming from, it's extremely to take any of this seriously given the low-carb reaction to the PURE study 6 months ago

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 23 Aug 2018
      Replying to @GidMK @bokkiedog and

      L. Amber O'Hearn Retweeted L. Amber O'Hearn

      Yes, I said as much but an hour ago. https://twitter.com/KetoCarnivore/status/1032723846212853761?s=19 … There is definitely a double standard in some folks, but not all of us. It's too bad, because it hurts progress.

      L. Amber O'Hearn added,

      L. Amber O'Hearn @KetoCarnivore
      Replying to @MatthewJDalby
      It's embarrassing when the same people promote the PURE study other than to point out that the same kind of study can give opposite results.
      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 23 Aug 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @bokkiedog and

      Fair enough. It is also weird to see people so vehemently against the idea that there may be some detrimental health impacts to look out for when on an extremely restrictive diet, something that appears both obvious and fairly trivial

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 23 Aug 2018
      Replying to @GidMK @bokkiedog and

      Not really, because restrictive is a relative term. We don't eat just anything. To take that to its logical extreme: how restrictive is it not to eat arsenic? The further the enculturated diet from the evolved diet, the less it seems like restriction and the more like prudence.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @KetoCarnivore @bokkiedog and

      Ok then: restrictive of micro/macronutrients known to prevent disease Honestly I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's no more problematic to say that low-carb diets may increase your risk of, say, bowel cancer than to point out that vegan diets can cause anemia

      7:02 PM - 24 Aug 2018
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        2. L. Amber O'Hearn‏ @KetoCarnivore 25 Aug 2018
          Replying to @GidMK @bokkiedog and

          Bowel cancer? Now you're bringing in a whole other belief based on problematic methodology. It's not comparable to anemia in vegetarians at all. Vegetarians are known to get anemia. Low carb ancestral societies historically had negligible cancer rates before Westernisation.

          2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. NickM‏ @bokkiedog 25 Aug 2018
          Replying to @KetoCarnivore @GidMK and

          Anaemia is easily predicted by the low availability of heme iron, and phytates/other anti-absorbants in typical vegetarian diets. There is no equivalent coherent mechanism that blames meat: and as Amber says, cancer is rare in even long-lived ancestral meat eaters.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
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