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    1. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 11
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      What's interesting with both of these transitions is that in some sense the stronger emotion is just the weaker emotion but more so. Rage is just more anger, loathing is just more hatred. But it crosses a threshold where the response changes and this in turn changes the feeling.

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    2. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 11
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      You get this with positive emotions too I think. Love is "just" liking but you do it lots, but at some point the quality of the emotion changes in a way that saying "I love you" is more than "I like you a lot" because you've crossed that threshold.

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    3. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 11
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      I often think of emotions as dispositional: They are (or include) a felt sense that you are predisposed towards a particular class of actions or attitude towards the world. e.g. liking something means you are inclined towards more of it in your life.

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    4. strangeattractor‏ @strangeattracto Nov 11
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      Have you read Lisa Feldman Barrett's book How Emotions Are Made? It is the best book I've read about emotions, and the first chapter debunks studies that say emotions are culturally universalhttps://lisafeldmanbarrett.com/books/how-emotions-are-made/ …

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    5. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 11
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      I have. It's useful and interesting, but I find a lot of it as a bit suspish but more importantly I think she's making a very nonstandard distinction between emotions and feelings and then getting mad when other people use words differently than she does.

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      And I mean yes it's obviously true that emotions are culturally determined and there are looping constructs around this, but there are still feelings people experience that can usefully be described with emotion words.

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      So how do you reconcile the "felt sense that you are predisposed towards a particular class of actions or attitude towards the world" with the constructivist culturally-influenced view of emotions?

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    8. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 11
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      I think this is just how words work? Suppose I'm painting a picture. There is a set of behaviours, skills, and actions, and motivations, I'm doing, and those all interrelate, but the fact that I'm "doing art" is very much a culturally determined set of practices and labels.

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      The idea of a "looping effect" (I keep thinking it's called "looping construt", sorry) is super useful. There's a kind of feedback loop between experience and labelling, for basically any kind of experience and any kind of labelling, and I think that's what emotion words do.

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      But the feelings of being predisposed to an action are there regardless of what we label them, they're just also shaped by those labels.

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      The book is making two arguments in this space: 1. The specific labelling of emotional states has a strong impact on the experience of those states. 2. The word "emotion" applies specifically to out labels of those states. I think (1) is definitely true and (2) is nonsense.

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        2. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 11
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          Because that requires us to take emotion statements about non-linguistic entities as category errors. "The dog is afraid" is obviously a perfectly sensible statement, but Barrett's use of the word emotion does not consider that as valid because the dog cannot label that state.

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          Hmm. Emotions as reflecting a person's disposition is a concept I can go along with, but a felt sense of predisposition is something that I don't relate to at all, and give the side-eye to. Emotions seem to me to be mostly situational. A lot of my tastes are acquired.

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