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    1. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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      You know the phenomenon of male characters who you absolutely should not identify because they're awful people who nevertheless a lot of men identify with? e.g. James Bond, Rick (of Rick and Morty), Rorschach. I think I figured out why this is and oh no. 😢

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    2. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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      These characters are expressing unhealthily unrestrained versions of common male traits which we have collectively largely decided are just Intrinsically Bad but that are actually reasonable and positive things when appropriately tempered and restrained.

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    3. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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      e.g. a certain degree of harshness is actually pretty great if well handled. See e.g. https://twitter.com/GeniesLoki/status/1323888911467352070 … for discussions of positive cruelty. Or, some arrogance is Good Actually - it encourages you to excel and to try things outside your reach and thereby learn from them.

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      In order: "Being cruel to people you love" sounds bad, right? It's not, it's good. Examples: * Teasing * Telling someone harsh truths * Not letting someone take the easy route * Domming someone Cruelty lets you knock someone out of a comfortable and easy equilibrium solution.
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    4. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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      All of these traits are things which you can take to excess and the characters I have in mind absolutely do. If you're indiscriminately and unrestrainedly harsh, you're just an asshole. If you take arrogance too far, you're a *narcissistic* asshole.

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    5. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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      But the problem is that because we decided that these things are bad, you don't really have much of an option for expressing them in their healthy form. The best you can really manage is "morally permissible in small doses", or a kind of problematic fave.

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    6. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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      If, on the other hand, you're a massive jerk who doesn't give a fuck about what anybody thinks, you have the option to express these traits as much as you like because you're *already* an asshole.

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    7. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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      And if you're a man who has some or all of these traits - even if it's entirely reasonable doses - and are looking for representation... these terrible characters are kinda the only place you have to look, because the healthier versions are not represented on screen anywhere.

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    8. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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      Unfortunately this makes the problem worse, because you end up with a kind of dichotomy where either: 1) Men go "That seems great, I'm going to be a jerk now." 2) Men recoil from these characters, further alienating themselves from their own desired nature and gender.

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      GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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      This seems bad.

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        1. 0.005 Seconds To Freedom‏ @seconds_0 Nov 5
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          I agree . My dad taught me about 'things men do' that were important, but must always be well leashed. You must be bold but not headstrong, proud but not arrogant, be stable but not cold, righteous anger but only when you must, ready to defend your loved ones but never a bully.

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        1. Amir‏ @miftah___ra Nov 5
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          Hmm yes and such antihero-type characters are usually "redeemed" by overcoming these Bad traits, further enforcing them as Bad Wonder if redemption is even possible when the character has been set up to have the [Bad trait] problem as the conflict point

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        1. Tau‏ @Tau_Phillips Nov 5
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          Now explain why so many people are sexually attracted to scp-1471-A.

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        2. delysis‏ @delysis Nov 5
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          Extends to guru selection, too. For a long time, the only people doing the work to teach nerds to be more attractive were The Worst. (Now those people are leading nerds to Orthodox Christianity, still not sure what to make of that).

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        3. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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          Yeah. I think also ends up with men defending a lot of awful men's behaviour - e.g. Linus Torvalds is also The Worst and people identify with him for much the same reasons they identify with Rick.

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        2. Hodge Theatregoer‏ @MinKST01 Nov 5
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          Is the dichotomy real? You can fuck with characters while only partially identifying with them, recognising bits of them while knowing the extremity portrayed is what's fucked up.

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        3. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Nov 5
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          I mean it's not real in the sense that those are your only options. It does seem to be real in that a lot of men fall into one of these two camps.

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        1. oldvillagesage‏ @oldvillagesage Nov 6
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          Trump fits the character description

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