GeniesLoki on Twitter: "Is it possible that you've not updated your emotional learnings around boredom then? Like maybe it's actually perfectly safe for you to be bored now but it doesn't feel like it because it used not to be? Could you try doing the thing and ask "How bad is this really?" during?… https://t.co/ZTzKicDlzY"

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definitely both haha, i don't usually wait until it starts being agonizing before distracting myself, unless the deadline is tomorrow same feeling, if i don't succeed in spacing out i keep thinking how boring this is and when is it finally over

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What does it mean for something to be "boring" to you? How unpleasant is it? (I can stop if this isn't helpful BTW)

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it's not really actively unpleasant it's more like the absence of pleasure? like it's not pleasurable so i have to use willpower to keep going but then i don't have any reward like i would if it was something hard but fun. not rewarding i guess

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it's insightful but i'm not seeing yet how it can help with my current situation, i was waiting for an output like with akinator haha

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Ha ha sadly no I have no decision tree of magic fixes. The idea of sequences of questions like this is that they're supposed to help you reframe the problem yourself. Also if I had such a solution I'd be much better off myself.

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To the degree that I'm trying to lead you anywhere, I'd suggest that it might be worth looking into non-willpower based discomfort tolerance approaches? i.e. less "This is awful but I can force myself to do it" and more "This kinda sucks but it's manageable".

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In general my working model of a lot of ADHD behaviour is that it's a way of distracting yourself from negative emotional states, so boredom both feels unsafe and may actually be unsafe if it is insufficiently stimulating to provide that distraction and you're in a bad way.

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a bit confused on this one, are you saying that boredom feels bad because my natural state is bad and i have nothing to distract myself from it?

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Not necessarily your *natural* state, but yeah if there's often a lot of negative feelings going on or if you have a tendency to ruminate on bad things with left to your own thoughts, boredom can feel unsafe because you're vulnerable to doing that.

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ahh yeah that makes sense. it was probably the case before but now when i meditate for example most of the thoughts i notice don't seem to be negative. will try to notice and see

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Is it possible that you've not updated your emotional learnings around boredom then? Like maybe it's actually perfectly safe for you to be bored now but it doesn't feel like it because it used not to be? Could you try doing the thing and ask "How bad is this really?" during?

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  hmm this can be useful but for different situations! like not being afraid to do dishes without podcasts to replace my thoughts. but here the problem is not my thoughts, i don't have access to them anyway because i'm (should be) focused on work anyway
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