Idle thought: We were talking about how Less Wrong had a lot (though a minority) of people from less savoury parts of the internet, but that's... actually very good? Less Wrong is actually a great community of last resort because it does genuinely make its members better.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
The PUA wars drove me away. Far too many toxic men arguing for their right to be toxic.
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Replying to @twinkleflange
I kinda missed that because I wasn't directly part of the community, but yeah I'm not surprised that things like that were problems - the downside of a lot of LW's norms (which is also their strength as a community of last resort) is they include a lot of objectionable people.
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I think there's more to it than that - both LW and PUA attracted analytical but socially-inept young men trying to figure out human interaction from first principles, so there was a lot of overlap; the LW/PUAs wanted to use ideas from PUA in LW discussions.
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Tbqh i have a lot of sympathy for what ive seen of puas. especially considering it's always been considered bad, wrong, "sinful" "we're gonna teach these guys what their dads never did" "it's not about just getting the girl, it's about keeping the girl" etc. good shit.
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I think there's a lot of variation among PUAs. Some of them seem pretty positive, some seem mostly harmless, some of them seem really dangerous, and there's a full spectrum in between
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At its best PUA mostly seems to be confidence building, social skills, and grooming, aimed at awkward men, but a lot of it goes beyond that into weird rapey bullshit. The former tends to get tarred with the same brush as the latter which is a shame, but the latter is easy to find
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Actually now that you mention it I do remember some youtuber giving basically rape advice. "In Japan you can just forc them to kiss and they don't react" or some shit. So yeah I take it back, some of the shit I've seen is awful. i used to like mystery and strauss though.
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