What strikes me as offensive is the idea that the only defense of queerness is "it's not my fault, I didn't choose to be like this". Lots of people choose to explore their sexuality and find that their preferences change as a result. That's normal and healthy and good.https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1316223453570228225 …
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Replying to @geekethics
Hard cosign. I'm extremely strongly of the opinion that there is a significant amount of (though certainly not total!) freedom of choice in both gender and sexuality, having exercised such choice myself, and I really resent discourse about it being all innate and immutable.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @geekethics
There is (= should be!) choice about what you DO, sexually and in terms of your gender presentation. There certainly is around your identity. But choice about your sexual attraction and internal sense of your gender? Not much, if any, of that is.
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Replying to @BiFuriosa @GeniesLoki
I always get confused by this. I've made lots of intentional choices about my attraction and gender. The fact other people haven't seems very strange to me. Frankly if you're certain about your identity it's often because you've not thought about it very much.
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Replying to @geekethics @GeniesLoki
Hmm, both can change - I am not saying they're fixed - but being able to go "I think I will now be attracted to X" or "I think I will now have a Y gender" is not most people's experience. If it was, conversion therapy (sic) would work.
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Replying to @BiFuriosa @GeniesLoki
Maybe my ingroup is unusual. But I've always thought the problem with conversion therapy is that brainwashing someone against their will produces trauma more easily than change. Bihacking seems to work for a decent fraction of people who try it.
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Conversion therapy is often undertaken consensually by people who are quite desperate to change, and it generally doesn't work.
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Replying to @ozyfrantz @geekethics and
In that instance conversion therapy is undertaken by people who have tried and failed to reorient their attraction on their own.
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Replying to @ciphergoth @geekethics and
Yeah, that's my theory too. You'd expect conversion therapy to work occasionally because of bi people/sexual fluidity but it does not. My guess is that if you grow up fundie and there is any way you can be straight you take it *before* you go to conversion therapy.
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Replying to @ozyfrantz @ciphergoth and
I'm now kinda curious what conversion therapy protocols look like. Because all of my ideas on what might work in this space are things it's really hard for me to imagine religiously motivated conversion therapists buying into.
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(My intuition is that most people are able to bihack, with high variability in "how bi" they end up and how much effort it takes, but that *removing* a sexual interest is likely hard to impossible)
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @ozyfrantz and
That's my intuition, but perhaps that's because I don't know what it's like to not be a polymorphous pervert. Though perhaps one can remove an interest in Beethoven :)
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