GeniesLoki

I'm firmly on team "Patriarchy hurts men too", but honestly it's *incredibly* unsurprising that when you say that a lot of men who have struggled to fit in look for the dagger you're hiding behind your back while you're saying that.

Also, honestly, some of this is intrinsic in the theory and is not just its misapplication. The theory could and should be extended rather than abandoned, but the problems really are there right in its core.

I talked about The Scott Aaronson Incident in https://twitter.com/GeniesLoki/status/1316123830721671169 … Honestly I didn't care about 95% of the backlash it was very business as normal the response that enraged me the most was the supposedly empathetic one.

"I'm sorry you're hurting but that's not the same as structural oppression" is a hell of a thing to say to a group of people who share a common set of traits that cause them to be systematically shunned and demonised because they've not learned to cope with things society demands

Still uncertain whether the theory does make sense to apply here, but appreciate hearing this. Certainly not obvious that it doesn't.

I don't know that I would want to frame it as structural *oppression*, certainly, but I do think there are clear structural problems at work here and the total lack of acknowledgement of or sympathy for them in feminist circles makes everything worse.

(Where "everything" includes both the problems themselves and also the ability to get people having those problems on board with important feminist issues)

Cool, we're probably in the same place. Very here for the need for sympathy. My greatest concern is probably not overgeneralizing? My circles are selected for men who feel this way, but I'd like a better sense of how common and widespread it is.