"I'm sorry you're hurting but that's not the same as structural oppression" is a hell of a thing to say to a group of people who share a common set of traits that cause them to be systematically shunned and demonised because they've not learned to cope with things society demands
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Feminism really does have a problem with systematically rejecting the places where the theory naturally could and should be extended to men, and the way it treats groups like this who have male-coded problems (and are also majority but not exclusively men) really brings it out.
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If you don't believe me try saying "female privilege" to your average feminist and see how they react. Privilege is a really useful framework for looking at a bunch of problems that men face that women don't. It's perfectly possible for both male and female privilege to exist.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
"female privilege" to trans men is more like... "structural oppression" again oops Infantilization is not privilege
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Replying to @owenfuckem
Cannot tell whether agreeing or disagreeing. Could you unpack?
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
It's super tangential to what you were saying. I agree and disagree? Infantilization meaning-- people doing things for you because they think you're too weak to do them is a good example. A lot of other men I know call that a "privilege" but it's fucking condescending to me.
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Replying to @owenfuckem @GeniesLoki
I'm sure you'll be able to find some examples of female privilege that don't fall into this category.
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Some go to examples for me: * Hetero dating norms around "men approach women" * Men are typically very touched starve * Safety in expressing emotions (especially ones that will be perceived as scary)
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
Counterpoints *These same hetero dating norms are based on assumptions like "women don't make the kind of money needed to cover a date," and many are the product of capitalism *none *Women are not "allowed" to express "male emotions" like anger in this social paradigm either
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* I don't think this is a counterpoint? Yes, problems exist for reasons. Although I also don't think I agree with this as the reason (I've heard this a lot and it never reverses when the woman makes more money than the man) * OK * Very context-dependent, but often false!
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In particular on Twitter and a lot of public discourse I think women's anger is treated with significantly more legitimacy than men's. A woman's anger is treated as good and righteous and a man's as entitlement and a failure of self control.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
My desire to attempt to counter this with anecdotes is great, lol, but you're right. Experience with mental illness also skews my whole perspective here. We're talking generally, Owen
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