Also, honestly, some of this is intrinsic in the theory and is not just its misapplication. The theory could and should be extended rather than abandoned, but the problems really are there right in its core.
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I talked about The Scott Aaronson Incident in https://twitter.com/GeniesLoki/status/1316123830721671169 … Honestly I didn't care about 95% of the backlash it was very business as normal the response that enraged me the most was the supposedly empathetic one.
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GeniesLoki @GeniesLokiReplying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531I think in this particular circle everyone remembers the Scott Aaronson internet in which everyone took guys being kinda sad about their difficulties dating, for reasons that were widely shared in their peer group, as evidence of toxic male entitlement. We didn't like that much.1 reply 0 retweets 6 likesShow this thread -
"I'm sorry you're hurting but that's not the same as structural oppression" is a hell of a thing to say to a group of people who share a common set of traits that cause them to be systematically shunned and demonised because they've not learned to cope with things society demands
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Feminism really does have a problem with systematically rejecting the places where the theory naturally could and should be extended to men, and the way it treats groups like this who have male-coded problems (and are also majority but not exclusively men) really brings it out.
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If you don't believe me try saying "female privilege" to your average feminist and see how they react. Privilege is a really useful framework for looking at a bunch of problems that men face that women don't. It's perfectly possible for both male and female privilege to exist.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
"female privilege" to trans men is more like... "structural oppression" again oops Infantilization is not privilege
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Replying to @owenfuckem
Cannot tell whether agreeing or disagreeing. Could you unpack?
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
It's super tangential to what you were saying. I agree and disagree? Infantilization meaning-- people doing things for you because they think you're too weak to do them is a good example. A lot of other men I know call that a "privilege" but it's fucking condescending to me.
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Replying to @owenfuckem
Yeah. I definitely wouldn't count that as an example of female privilege, although I think it might be an example where men and women are stuck on opposite ends of a spectrum both ends of which suck? (I think such examples are quite common)
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
I mean, I see it as another example of how patriarchy hurts everybody, even if it looks like it benefits women.
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I definitely agree that patriarchy hurts everyone, but I think the privilege framework is useful for analysing that it hurts different people in different ways.
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Fundamentally I agree, I just can't reconcile the idea of these being "privileges" when they are based in negative assumptions about what women (AND MEN!) are capable of doing. I think at some point the word privilege doesnt work as well as ...well I'm still working on that haha
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I basically agree that privilege is a terrible word for the technical concept that it refers to, but attempts to replace it with a better one don't seem to have stuck. I think these objections largely work equally well for any other use of the word privilege though!
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